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Post by Max on Mar 14, 2024 12:39:22 GMT -5
Thorpe's path to the big leagues just got easier.
Yep, and the Padres replace Snell in their starting rotation. |
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Post by Max on Mar 14, 2024 12:42:29 GMT -5
Forget Cease, he's heading to San Diego. Good, we can cease this speculation. How "Thorpeful" of the Padres and WSox were to make that trade so that Yankees fans don't have to talk about trading for Cease, at least for the time being. |
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Post by chiyankee on Mar 14, 2024 12:42:33 GMT -5
Thorpe's path to the big leagues just got easier.
Yep, and the Padres replace Snell in their starting rotation. I wouldn't be surprised if Cease has a better season than Snell. |
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Post by Max on Mar 14, 2024 12:46:59 GMT -5
Yep, the kid is in demand, been involved in trades for some pretty good MLB players. Must be highly thought of.
Agreed, Thorpe's excellent Spring Training increased his value even more.
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Post by 1955nyyfan on Mar 14, 2024 12:49:12 GMT -5
I have no idea if Thorpe will be any good or not but the guys who make these projections are often wrong. Some kids work harder than others and improve. Maybe he can use a good sinker and command to establish himself as a quality pitcher even if it's a back end guy. One of the guys you reference from time to time said Wells wasn't a major league catcher, hopefully from what we've seen in a small sample size, he was wrong. I think the bigger point for me is reading the posts that suggest we need to trade all our prospects for every big name on the market. It's just not practical. IT's too expensive from a salary cap perspective to keep adding high priced players to the roster through trades or as FAs. In today's game, no one makes baseball trades, it's often small market teams unloading big contracts for prospects. We have a team that has a payroll of close to $300mm. We've potentially lost our best SP and panic has set in. What does that say about depth or roster construction? I'm looking for a more balanced approach. We do need some young players to establish themselves so we can get some production from players who aren't making $20mm per. While some fans seemingly think the LT is just a speed bump that we can mostly ignore, it is a real thing and it does influence the decisions we make. The emergence of Volpe and Wells can hopefully mitigate some of the bigger contracts but IMO, we need to develop more home grown talent to balance the big amount of money we pay out through free agency and trades. I mean, when was the last time we developed a home grown quality starting pitcher? So my post initiated partly as a reaction from reading for about the 50th time how stupid the FO was for not trading Jones for a SP. None of us know how good Jones might be, but he seems to have a bright future. Soto is likely a rental so there may be a spot for him. Burnes would have been a 1 year rental. I've often been critical of Cash but even with the injury to Cole, I understand why he would not want to give up a prospect like Jones for a 1 year rental. . I dont , jones hasnt proven a thing and for a team thats supposed to be all in for a ws they went half assed . I remember the same thing happening with the cliff lee trade because he was a one year rental at the time and look what happened . You can never count on a prospect panning out I also wanted to comment on this argument you use all the time. "he hasn't proven a thing". I guess I'm not even sure what that means. I think he's proven he's a good prospect based upon his play at the college level and so far in his minor league career. We can compare his growth against mlb players at this point in his career and make projections. Does that mean he's going to be a star, absolutely not, but every star was a prospect at some point. If your definition of proving oneself is success at the mlb level then I guess you have devalued every prospect in our organization, we might as well trade them all for whatever we can get. |
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Post by Max on Mar 14, 2024 12:54:19 GMT -5
Here's one reason why so many teams were interested in Cease. Heck, the Yankees could have all three of these guys if they were willing to give up their entire farm system.  Yep, and likely the Yankees would only have 1 of those pitchers (Burnes) for only 1 season. There's no arguing that Cease has top of the rotation stuff. |
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Post by Max on Mar 14, 2024 13:01:57 GMT -5
Yep, and the Padres replace Snell in their starting rotation. I wouldn't be surprised if Cease has a better season than Snell. I agree. Plus, each day that passes by, an unsigned Snell misses another day of Spring Training. |
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Post by posadafan24 on Mar 14, 2024 13:15:18 GMT -5
Here's one reason why so many teams were interested in Cease. Heck, the Yankees could have all three of these guys if they were willing to give up their entire farm system. Yep, and likely the Yankees would only have 1 of those pitchers (Burnes) for only 1 season. There's no arguing that Cease has top of the rotation stuff. Top of the rotation stuff? Because of one season? Thats a stretch . I would say he is a very good number 3 starter . He gives up too many hits and runs overall to be a top of the rotation pitcher |
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Post by Max on Mar 14, 2024 13:16:01 GMT -5
As far as Yamamoto goes, the Yankees made him a great offer. From what I heard they offered him a 10 year contract at 30 million per season. In a classy move, Yankees also didn't issue #18 last season so that it would be available for Yamamoto should he have chosen to sign with them. Cashman also few to Japan, which isn't exactly around the corner from NYC to see Yamamoto pitch. Offering a Pitcher that hasn't thrown a pitch in MLB a 10 year contract at 30 million per season isn't going "half assed" to try to sign him. As for Cease, he has top of the rotation stuff. As for his ERA being over 4.00 for 2 seasons. 1 of Cease's seasons where his ERA was over 4.00 was the ridiculous Covid season. Pettitte's ERA was over 4.00 for 9 seasons. Cease's career ERA is almost the same as Pettitte's. Pettitte 3.85. Cease 3.83. I'm not comparing Cease to Pettitte, but it's not fair to judge a pitcher only by his ERA. |
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Post by posadafan24 on Mar 14, 2024 13:17:41 GMT -5
I dont , jones hasnt proven a thing and for a team thats supposed to be all in for a ws they went half assed . I remember the same thing happening with the cliff lee trade because he was a one year rental at the time and look what happened . You can never count on a prospect panning out I also wanted to comment on this argument you use all the time. "he hasn't proven a thing". I guess I'm not even sure what that means. I think he's proven he's a good prospect based upon his play at the college level and so far in his minor league career. We can compare his growth against mlb players at this point in his career and make projections. Does that mean he's going to be a star, absolutely not, but every star was a prospect at some point. If your definition of proving oneself is success at the mlb level then I guess you have devalued every prospect in our organization, we might as well trade them all for whatever we can get. College is not the minors and he only has about one season in the minors . And that one full season wasnt that impressive either . Thats hardly a proven talent . I guess Iit doesnt take much for you to buy into the hype . |
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Post by Max on Mar 14, 2024 13:19:25 GMT -5
Yep, and likely the Yankees would only have 1 of those pitchers (Burnes) for only 1 season. There's no arguing that Cease has top of the rotation stuff. Top of the rotation stuff? Because of one season? Thats a stretch . I would say he is a very good number 3 starter . He gives up too many hits and runs overall to be a top of the rotation pitcher
I didn't say that he had top of the rotation stuff based on 1 season. A stretch would be how you just asked and then answered your own question with another question. |
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Post by posadafan24 on Mar 14, 2024 13:21:33 GMT -5
Top of the rotation stuff? Because of one season? Thats a stretch . I would say he is a very good number 3 starter . He gives up too many hits and runs overall to be a top of the rotation pitcher
I didn't say that he had top of the rotation stuff based on 1 season. A stretch would be how you just asked and then answered your own question with another question. Well he has had only one season so far in his career that he pitched like a top of the rotation pitcher . I mean the other two full seasons he was more like monty who people here say is a number starter at best . You said yourself that “ there is no argument that he has top of the rotation stuff” what exactly is that supposed to mean if you are now saying you never said that he has top of the rotation stuff? |
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Post by ypaterson on Mar 14, 2024 13:23:03 GMT -5
I dont , jones hasnt proven a thing and for a team thats supposed to be all in for a ws they went half assed . I remember the same thing happening with the cliff lee trade because he was a one year rental at the time and look what happened . You can never count on a prospect panning out I also wanted to comment on this argument you use all the time. "he hasn't proven a thing". I guess I'm not even sure what that means. I think he's proven he's a good prospect based upon his play at the college level and so far in his minor league career. We can compare his growth against mlb players at this point in his career and make projections. Does that mean he's going to be a star, absolutely not, but every star was a prospect at some point. If your definition of proving oneself is success at the mlb level then I guess you have devalued every prospect in our organization, we might as well trade them all for whatever we can get. You can never count on a prospect panning out....Or a pitcher's health. I am sure the Rangers and the Red Sox can attest to that. What is true is that if Jones proves himself you get 6 years of control. Trade him for Burnes or Soto or any other rental and the best you get is 1 year. |
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Post by posadafan24 on Mar 14, 2024 13:24:37 GMT -5
I also wanted to comment on this argument you use all the time. "he hasn't proven a thing". I guess I'm not even sure what that means. I think he's proven he's a good prospect based upon his play at the college level and so far in his minor league career. We can compare his growth against mlb players at this point in his career and make projections. Does that mean he's going to be a star, absolutely not, but every star was a prospect at some point. If your definition of proving oneself is success at the mlb level then I guess you have devalued every prospect in our organization, we might as well trade them all for whatever we can get. You can never count on a prospect panning out....Or a pitcher's health. I am sure the Rangers and the Red Sox can attest to that. What is true is that if Jones proves himself you get 6 years of control. Trade him for Burnes or Soto or any other rental and the best you get is 1 year. And you really think its worth wasting whatever prime years judge and cole have left to find out if one guy will pan out? |
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Post by Max on Mar 14, 2024 13:31:23 GMT -5
I didn't say that he had top of the rotation stuff based on 1 season. A stretch would be how you just asked and then answered your own question with another question. Well he has had only one season so far in his career that he pitched like a top of the rotation pitcher . I mean the other two full seasons he was more like monty who people here say is a number starter at best . You said yourself that “ there is no argument that he has top of the rotation stuff” what exactly is that supposed to mean if you are now saying you never said that he has top of the rotation stuff? It's self explanatory what “there is no argument that he has top of the rotation stuff” means. You mentioned hits to innings pitched. So far Cease has a better hits to inning pitched than Pettitte. Cease has top of the rotation stuff, with the potential to be an Ace. Does Cease's swing and miss ratio, not count?
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