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Post by themartian on Feb 2, 2024 6:14:04 GMT -5
I doubt I'd be to thrilled right now if I was a Brewer fan. Division just got much harder . The scary thing is that the Os still have a lot of ammo left, those weren't their best prospects. They could still get someone like Cease if they wanted to, and probably just helped set his market a little lower with this deal. If some of their younger players really take off in 2024 they are going to be very tough. No guarantees but the potential is there. |
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Post by bruner4329 on Feb 2, 2024 8:13:28 GMT -5
Division just got much harder . The scary thing is that the Os still have a lot of ammo left, those weren't their best prospects. They could still get someone like Cease if they wanted to, and probably just helped set his market a little lower with this deal. If some of their younger players really take off in 2024 they are going to be very tough. No guarantees but the potential is there. They won 101 games last year along with the division. We only won 82, a deficit of 19 games. I do not think we have closed the gap enough at this point to be a threat. They are the favorites to win the division again If Cashman got off the couch and started finishing putting this team together I may feel a bit better about our chances. But until he gets another starter and arm for the pen I have concerns. Problem is the pitching options are beginning to dry up. |
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Post by rizzuto on Feb 2, 2024 8:32:32 GMT -5
What a steal by the Orioles! A number one starting pitcher for nothing Baltimore could not do without. Trade off the offseason. Kudos to the Orioles’ GM. Unbelievable.
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Post by inger on Feb 2, 2024 9:08:05 GMT -5
That is true but the real question is will the regression of the o’s and the uptick of the yankees still more than make up the 19 game difference between them last season? It’s an interesting theory and not totally fool proof, but I’d the records for all teams in the AL east were all corrected to the mean (.500) the Rays would have taken the division, the Yanks would have been second and the O’s third. Just something to watch. No real science behind it.., |
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Post by inger on Feb 2, 2024 9:15:00 GMT -5
We added a superb hitter who played on a loaded team last year that only finished 82-80, the same as the Yanks. Was something wrong about the mix in SD? We shall see, I suppose…
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Post by bruner4329 on Feb 2, 2024 9:56:19 GMT -5
I would rather rely and making the team better as opposed to statistics based on the law of averages. Maybe the better teams have a better record in one run games because of the better talent. I think the Yanks are a better team than last year but so are the Orioles. They won 101 games last year with a ton of youthful talent that is poised to only get better. And now they have added some additional talent in the off season. Get me one more good starter and a solid arm for the pen and maybe this discussion has merit. In the mean time the Yanks need to answer these 2 questions. Who steps up into the rotation when one of our starters (my pick is either Cortes or Rodon) start the season with arm soreness or a pulled groin? And who steps up as a reliable back end reliever when Holmes has his annual melt down. Now that Peralta and King are gone this is a legitimate question and concern. |
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Post by inger on Feb 2, 2024 10:18:25 GMT -5
I would rather rely and making the team better as opposed to statistics based on the law of averages. Maybe the better teams have a better record in one run games because of the better talent. I think the Yanks are a better team than last year but so are the Orioles. They won 101 games last year with a ton of youthful talent that is poised to only get better. And now they have added some additional talent in the off season. Get me one more good starter and a solid arm for the pen and maybe this discussion has merit. In the mean time the Yanks need to answer these 2 questions. Who steps up into the rotation when one of our starters (my pick is either Cortes or Rodon) start the season with arm soreness or a pulled groin? And who steps up as a reliable back end reliever when Holmes has his annual melt down. Now that Peralta and King are gone this is a legitimate question and concern. I agree that the team is incomplete, and since ST hasn’t started yet I hope there’s more going to get done… |
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Post by domeplease on Feb 2, 2024 10:22:23 GMT -5
Division just got much harder . The scary thing is that the Os still have a lot of ammo left, those weren't their best prospects. They could still get someone like Cease if they wanted to, and probably just helped set his market a little lower with this deal. If some of their younger players really take off in 2024 they are going to be very tough. No guarantees but the potential is there. AGREED!!! Os are the one to beat in our division with TB and Blue Jays in the mix too. Our weak spot is our pitching if some get injured. Regardless it will be a very tough division... |
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Post by ypaterson on Feb 2, 2024 10:46:06 GMT -5
We added a superb hitter who played on a loaded team last year that only finished 82-80, the same as the Yanks. Was something wrong about the mix in SD? We shall see, I suppose… I am always happy to see a new baseball season. I'd be more otpimistic if the Soto trade were never made. Soto is a great hitter and the Yankees needed left handed offense, but going all in for Soto was comparable to buying a John Deere tractor to plant a flower bed. Adding Verdugo and maybe a left handed bench bat would have been enough. Instead the Yankees resolved one imbalance by creating another. |
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Post by Oburg Bob on Feb 2, 2024 10:57:34 GMT -5
We added a superb hitter who played on a loaded team last year that only finished 82-80, the same as the Yanks. Was something wrong about the mix in SD? We shall see, I suppose… I am always happy to see a new baseball season. I'd be more otpimistic if the Soto trade were never made. Soto is a great hitter and the Yankees needed left handed offense, but going all in for Soto was comparable to buying a John Deere tractor to plant a flower bed. Adding Verdugo and maybe a left handed bench bat would have been enough. Instead the Yankees resolved one imbalance by creating another. |
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Post by Max on Feb 2, 2024 11:09:06 GMT -5
I'm not sure that King would be in the Pen. He wanted to start, he pitched very well in that role, and the Yankees were stretching out his innings. I can't say for sure, but all that adds up to him being a starter.
Well, we don't know how he will pitch as a Yankee, but Gonzalez has been a good pitcher in the past. There are no guarantees, but that also applies to Peralta who's hard hit % went up last season and the season before that. His OBP and OPS vs right-handed hitters last season was nothing to brag about. His injury history would say its maybe not the best idea to make him a starter if he was still on the yankees . I mean he blew out his elbow from the bullpen
Granted, it might not be the best idea. But pitching is at a premium, which make me think the Yankees Padres would keep him in the starting rotation. |
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Post by Oburg Bob on Feb 2, 2024 11:09:17 GMT -5
I am always happy to see a new baseball season. I'd be more otpimistic if the Soto trade were never made. Soto is a great hitter and the Yankees needed left handed offense, but going all in for Soto was comparable to buying a John Deere tractor to plant a flower bed. Adding Verdugo and maybe a left handed bench bat would have been enough. Instead the Yankees resolved one imbalance by creating another. -- I don't agree that they created a new imbalance of left handed hitters. You can never have too many good lefties in Yankee Stadium. Even without the short porch, left handed hitters always have a natural advantage. They are closer to first base and face 80% right handed pitchers, and face breaking balls coming in not away. I expect a great year, playoffs and #28!!! Oburg Bob |
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Post by Max on Feb 2, 2024 11:12:42 GMT -5
One thing to consider regarding the AL East. The Orioles were 30-16 in one run games last year. One baseball theory from Bill James is that a team that wins a lot of one-run games issue for a regression the next season. By the same token the Yankees had a losing record in one-run games, which could make them due for an uptick. Take a peek at this revised standing from 2023 and see what the standings woukd have looked like if won-loss marks in one run games were reversed last year: What's the theory when a team wins a lot of 1 run games then for the next season adds an Ace that happens to be one of the best pitchers in MLB.  |
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Post by Max on Feb 2, 2024 11:15:30 GMT -5
Cole Rodon stroman is a top rotation if guys perform like they should. Burnes is an elite starter but the rest of the orioles rotation and bullpen the Yankees have hit all those guys historically plus we dunno if burnes will have adjustment issues switching leagues Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Its the lack of health from that rotation that concerns me not so much the talent . 2 injuries away from having a minor leaguer in the rotation after stroman That would apply to most if not all MLB teams. |
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Post by Max on Feb 2, 2024 11:17:11 GMT -5
Middleton is off the board. Yet another loss to the yankees bullpen that hasnt been addressed
Effross takes his place.
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