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Post by Max on Feb 2, 2024 11:20:30 GMT -5
We added a superb hitter who played on a loaded team last year that only finished 82-80, the same as the Yanks. Was something wrong about the mix in SD? We shall see, I suppose…
The Padres had their share of injuries too.
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Post by Max on Feb 2, 2024 11:33:02 GMT -5
About Burnes? Sure the Yankees could have beat the offer that the Brewers took for Burnes. Other teams with a better a farm than the Yankees could have beat that offer too. The questions are...Did the infamous "Yankees Tax" come into play? By how much did the Brewers want the Yankees to beat the Orioles' offer?
It would have been great for the Yankees to have Cole and Burnes. But a couple of things to keep in mind. The Martian is the only Yankee prospect that's rated ahead of Ortiz. The Brewers are also getting a MLB ready starting pitcher. That makes me think that it's fair to say that the Brewers would have wanted at least Jones and Warren for Burnes. If that's the case Cashman was right not to make that trade for another player in his walk year.
A show of hands...How many fans here would have traded Jones and Warren for Burnes without Burnes agreeing to a contract extension?
The silver lineing might be that the Burnes trade might force the WSox to take less from the Yankees in a trade for Cease. I say might only because unlike Burnes, Cease is signed for next season.
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Post by vdfebduderocks on Feb 2, 2024 11:40:33 GMT -5
why did Hal let Middleton & Wandy go? I thought the point was to keep one of the 2.
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Post by anthonyd46 on Feb 2, 2024 11:47:50 GMT -5
I would rather rely and making the team better as opposed to statistics based on the law of averages. Maybe the better teams have a better record in one run games because of the better talent. I think the Yanks are a better team than last year but so are the Orioles. They won 101 games last year with a ton of youthful talent that is poised to only get better. And now they have added some additional talent in the off season. Get me one more good starter and a solid arm for the pen and maybe this discussion has merit. In the mean time the Yanks need to answer these 2 questions. Who steps up into the rotation when one of our starters (my pick is either Cortes or Rodon) start the season with arm soreness or a pulled groin? And who steps up as a reliable back end reliever when Holmes has his annual melt down. Now that Peralta and King are gone this is a legitimate question and concern. The Yankees were neck and neck with the orioles in the standings till mid July. They were only 2 games behind them on July 8th or so. The biggest issue of why they finished so far back and the huge amount of losses from that point till the end of August. It just spiraled out of control. I don't think that happens with a healthy judge and Rizzo Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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Post by ypaterson on Feb 2, 2024 12:00:55 GMT -5
I would rather rely and making the team better as opposed to statistics based on the law of averages. Maybe the better teams have a better record in one run games because of the better talent. I think the Yanks are a better team than last year but so are the Orioles. They won 101 games last year with a ton of youthful talent that is poised to only get better. And now they have added some additional talent in the off season. Get me one more good starter and a solid arm for the pen and maybe this discussion has merit. In the mean time the Yanks need to answer these 2 questions. Who steps up into the rotation when one of our starters (my pick is either Cortes or Rodon) start the season with arm soreness or a pulled groin? And who steps up as a reliable back end reliever when Holmes has his annual melt down. Now that Peralta and King are gone this is a legitimate question and concern. The Yankees were neck and neck with the orioles in the standings till mid July. They were only 2 games behind them on July 8th or so. The biggest issue of why they finished so far back and the huge amount of losses from that point till the end of August. It just spiraled out of control. I don't think that happens with a healthy judge and Rizzo Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Are you confident that the Yankees improved from last season ? |
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Post by anthonyd46 on Feb 2, 2024 12:02:12 GMT -5
The Yankees were neck and neck with the orioles in the standings till mid July. They were only 2 games behind them on July 8th or so. The biggest issue of why they finished so far back and the huge amount of losses from that point till the end of August. It just spiraled out of control. I don't think that happens with a healthy judge and Rizzo Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Are you confident that the Yankees improved from last season ? Of course they did they went from Bauers McKinley and Calhoun to Soto, Verdugo, Grisham. That's a big upgrade. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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Post by ypaterson on Feb 2, 2024 12:22:33 GMT -5
Are you confident that the Yankees improved from last season ? Of course they did they went from Bauers McKinley and Calhoun to Soto, Verdugo, Grisham. That's a big upgrade. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk It is...but pitching and defense still matter. Grisham's time is going to be minimal unless someone gets hurt. Neither Soto nor Verdugo is a good outfielder and the idea of playing Judge in center is nuts. And then there is the pitching....or lack thereof. This team might score 1100 runs and maybe it can club its way to the WS. I just have my doubts. |
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Post by anthonyd46 on Feb 2, 2024 12:25:37 GMT -5
Of course they did they went from Bauers McKinley and Calhoun to Soto, Verdugo, Grisham. That's a big upgrade. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk It is...but pitching and defense still matter. Grisham's time is going to be minimal unless someone gets hurt. Neither Soto nor Verdugo is a good outfielder and the idea of playing Judge in center is nuts. And then there is the pitching....or lack thereof. This team might score 1100 runs and maybe it can club its way to the WS. I just have my doubts. I think Cole Rodon Stroman is a good 3 but there's def what ifs there on if they will perform not get injuried etc but if all 3 of those are on that is a good top 3. Do agree another stable arm is important. My point is the problem with this offense was it was half aaaa players those types are gone now. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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Post by ypaterson on Feb 2, 2024 12:40:01 GMT -5
why did Hal let Middleton & Wandy go? I thought the point was to keep one of the 2. I cannot blame the Yankees for not matching the offer the Padre's made to Peralta or the player for taking it. That was an overpay but it happens. I have no idea why the Yankees soured on Middleton. |
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Post by posadafan24 on Feb 2, 2024 12:56:20 GMT -5
His injury history would say its maybe not the best idea to make him a starter if he was still on the yankees . I mean he blew out his elbow from the bullpen
Granted, it might not be the best idea. But pitching is at a premium, which make me think the Yankees Padres would keep him in the starting rotation. My point is what the yankees would have done with king if they still had him not the padres |
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Post by posadafan24 on Feb 2, 2024 12:57:58 GMT -5
Of course they did they went from Bauers McKinley and Calhoun to Soto, Verdugo, Grisham. That's a big upgrade. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk It is...but pitching and defense still matter. Grisham's time is going to be minimal unless someone gets hurt. Neither Soto nor Verdugo is a good outfielder and the idea of playing Judge in center is nuts. And then there is the pitching....or lack thereof. This team might score 1100 runs and maybe it can club its way to the WS. I just have my doubts. That is the only way they get to the ws this year |
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Post by posadafan24 on Feb 2, 2024 12:58:43 GMT -5
why did Hal let Middleton & Wandy go? I thought the point was to keep one of the 2. I cannot blame the Yankees for not matching the offer the Padre's made to Peralta or the player for taking it. That was an overpay but it happens. I have no idea why the Yankees soured on Middleton. How in the heck is less than 5 mill a year with 4 opt outs an overpay? |
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Post by bomberhojoe on Feb 2, 2024 14:14:11 GMT -5
It is...but pitching and defense still matter. Grisham's time is going to be minimal unless someone gets hurt. Neither Soto nor Verdugo is a good outfielder and the idea of playing Judge in center is nuts. And then there is the pitching....or lack thereof. This team might score 1100 runs and maybe it can club its way to the WS. I just have my doubts. I think Cole Rodon Stroman is a good 3 but there's def what ifs there on if they will perform not get injuried etc but if all 3 of those are on that is a good top 3. Do agree another stable arm is important. My point is the problem with this offense was it was half aaaa players those types are gone now. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk I have great confidence in Cole and expect he will pitch well enough to win 15 - 20. Based on Rodon's history, who knows if he will give them 10 - 15 starts. Stroman is a .500 pitcher, we can hope he might do better, but no reason to expect much more than 10 - 10 from him. |
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Post by ypaterson on Feb 2, 2024 14:19:20 GMT -5
I cannot blame the Yankees for not matching the offer the Padre's made to Peralta or the player for taking it. That was an overpay but it happens. I have no idea why the Yankees soured on Middleton. How in the heck is less than 5 mill a year with 4 opt outs an overpay? If the deal was such a bargain why did only the Padre's offer it ? And for the Yankees, the deal would have cost 1.5 times the price because they are deep into LT hell with total payroll about $ 290 M. I would have happily paid Wandy $ 5 M for one season but at some point you have to limit what you spend. |
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Post by anthonyd46 on Feb 2, 2024 14:25:25 GMT -5
I think Cole Rodon Stroman is a good 3 but there's def what ifs there on if they will perform not get injuried etc but if all 3 of those are on that is a good top 3. Do agree another stable arm is important. My point is the problem with this offense was it was half aaaa players those types are gone now. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk I have great confidence in Cole and expect he will pitch well enough to win 15 - 20. Based on Rodon's history, who knows if he will give them 10 - 15 starts. Stroman is a .500 pitcher, we can hope he might do better, but no reason to expect much more than 10 - 10 from him. Rodon needs to start 30 games anything less is a failure. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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