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Post by 1955nyyfan on Feb 8, 2024 9:38:09 GMT -5
Those trades made no sense, but we don't know what players the Brewers were asking the Yankees for Burnes. Did the Yankees tax come into play?
They wanted the 2 top Yankees prospects the top Pitching Prospect Hampton and Outfielder Jones. It seems to be the standard M.O. with MLB GM's ,when dealing with the Yankees. I'm glad that GM Cashman said No. Clipper Hey Clip, just wondering if this was actually reported somewhere? I know there was a thread started here with a poll asking if you would give up those guys but never saw it reported that was the ask. |
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Post by kaybli on Feb 8, 2024 9:50:22 GMT -5
They wanted the 2 top Yankees prospects the top Pitching Prospect Hampton and Outfielder Jones. It seems to be the standard M.O. with MLB GM's ,when dealing with the Yankees. I'm glad that GM Cashman said No. Clipper Hey Clip, just wondering if this was actually reported somewhere? I know there was a thread started here with a poll asking if you would give up those guys but never saw it reported that was the ask. Heyman said the Brewers wanted Spencer Jones but the Yankees didn’t want to include him in a deal: www.si.com/mlb/yankees/news/yankees-walked-away-from-burnes-deal-because-brewers-wanted-top-prospect-brad9 |
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Post by 1955nyyfan on Feb 8, 2024 10:27:28 GMT -5
My impression is that Heyman is pretty tuned in. It would be interesting to know if the Yankees made a counter proposal or if Cash walked away after saying no on Jones. I would hope there was at least some back and forth.I know there is a feeling amongst some fans that Teams ask more from the Yankees than they do from other clubs, not sure I buy into that. I have a hard time believing a GM wouldn't take the best package of players he is offered in any trade with the exception being a reluctance to trade within their division. |
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Post by Max on Feb 8, 2024 12:31:18 GMT -5
Those trades made no sense, but we don't know what players the Brewers were asking the Yankees for Burnes. Did the Yankees tax come into play?
They wanted the 2 top Yankees prospects the top Pitching Prospect Hampton and Outfielder Jones. It seems to be the standard M.O. with MLB GM's ,when dealing with the Yankees. I'm glad that GM Cashman said No. Clipper Well said Clipper, I couldn't agree more. Just like Burnes, Bieber is in his walk year too. If the Guardians are looking for Hampton and Jones, that should be another no from the Yankees. The same applies to Cease, even though he is signed for the 2025 season. |
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Post by 1955nyyfan on Feb 8, 2024 14:31:18 GMT -5
They wanted the 2 top Yankees prospects the top Pitching Prospect Hampton and Outfielder Jones. It seems to be the standard M.O. with MLB GM's ,when dealing with the Yankees. I'm glad that GM Cashman said No. Clipper Well said Clipper, I couldn't agree more. Just like Burnes, Bieber is in his walk year too. If the Guardians are looking for Hampton and Jones, that should be another no from the Yankees. The same applies to Cease, even though he is signed for the 2025 season. Hey Max, I haven't seen a reference to both Hampton and Jones being the ask. Was that actually a published rumor or speculation? |
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Post by rizzuto on Feb 8, 2024 14:45:26 GMT -5
We've heard about a "Yankee tax" and rumors that teams want more in return from the Yankees in trades than from other teams. Is this really a thing, or a media fed invention? If it is real, when did it start and why?
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Post by jiminy on Feb 8, 2024 14:49:02 GMT -5
Well said Clipper, I couldn't agree more. Just like Burnes, Bieber is in his walk year too. If the Guardians are looking for Hampton and Jones, that should be another no from the Yankees. The same applies to Cease, even though he is signed for the 2025 season. Hey Max, I haven't seen a reference to both Hampton and Jones being the ask. Was that actually a published rumor or speculation? According to MLB insider Jon Heyman, the Yankees refused to include Spencer Jones in their package for Burnes, ultimately causing the deal to fall through. |
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Post by rizzuto on Feb 8, 2024 15:01:52 GMT -5
Hey Max, I haven't seen a reference to both Hampton and Jones being the ask. Was that actually a published rumor or speculation? According to MLB insider Jon Heyman, the Yankees refused to include Spencer Jones in their package for Burnes, ultimately causing the deal to fall through. I kind of wish Pereira would have been left at AAA to continue to rake and build up numbers. His performance at the MLB level last year killed his trade value. |
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Post by 1955nyyfan on Feb 8, 2024 15:18:22 GMT -5
We've heard about a "Yankee tax" and rumors that teams want more in return from the Yankees in trades than from other teams. Is this really a thing, or a media fed invention? If it is real, when did it start and why? Rizzuto, If someone told me that there was a "Yankee Tax" in the days when George was active, I guess I would have to consider it since he could be impetuous. I could see some teams thinking if George really wanted someone he would eventually meet our price (my guys told me we really needed Jim Spencer!!!). Today, I think most trades probably start with an ask that is one-sided and then eventually gets negotiated to a deal both teams can support. Maybe some GMs just don't like our prospects, beyond the top 2 or 3, as much as the Board does? This is all speculation on my part but I would love to listen in to some of the calls Cash has with other GMs. I don't think you could be a successful GM if you were to regularly turn down offers that were better than the ones you accepted because they failed to meet the threshold of a "tax" you placed on a certain team. |
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Post by azbob643 on Feb 8, 2024 15:23:29 GMT -5
We've heard about a "Yankee tax" and rumors that teams want more in return from the Yankees in trades than from other teams. Is this really a thing, or a media fed invention? If it is real, when did it start and why? I don't believe it's a real thing...just as I don't buy the theories re media, umpires, announcers conspiring against the Yanks. |
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Post by posadafan24 on Feb 8, 2024 16:27:42 GMT -5
We've heard about a "Yankee tax" and rumors that teams want more in return from the Yankees in trades than from other teams. Is this really a thing, or a media fed invention? If it is real, when did it start and why? Rizzuto, If someone told me that there was a "Yankee Tax" in the days when George was active, I guess I would have to consider it since he could be impetuous. I could see some teams thinking if George really wanted someone he would eventually meet our price (my guys told me we really needed Jim Spencer!!!). Today, I think most trades probably start with an ask that is one-sided and then eventually gets negotiated to a deal both teams can support. Maybe some GMs just don't like our prospects, beyond the top 2 or 3, as much as the Board does? This is all speculation on my part but I would love to listen in to some of the calls Cash has with other GMs. I don't think you could be a successful GM if you were to regularly turn down offers that were better than the ones you accepted because they failed to meet the threshold of a "tax" you placed on a certain team. There is no “ yankee tax” its just a term made up by yankee fans because every couple of years they totally buy into the hype that 2 or 3 prospects get and then they are deemed untouchable as a result . Its just a coping mechanism to deak with missing out on big trades . Term wasnt even known until the days of ioba , hughes and kennedy when cashman starting prospect hugging |
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Post by posadafan24 on Feb 8, 2024 17:49:52 GMT -5
We've heard about a "Yankee tax" and rumors that teams want more in return from the Yankees in trades than from other teams. Is this really a thing, or a media fed invention? If it is real, when did it start and why? Its mostly a fan fed invention . Every couple of years , the team hypes up 2 or 3 prospects to the point that they deem them untouchable and then a team asks for one or two of them and cashman refuses . So then after missing out on big trades , the fans then bring up that term , because they bought into the hype and use it to cope with why the trade wasnt done . That term wasnt widely known until around the mid 2000s when cashman got complete control |
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Post by posadafan24 on Feb 8, 2024 17:55:54 GMT -5
We've heard about a "Yankee tax" and rumors that teams want more in return from the Yankees in trades than from other teams. Is this really a thing, or a media fed invention? If it is real, when did it start and why? Its both a media and. A fan fed invention . Every couple of years , the team hypes up 2 or 3 prospects to the point that they deem them untouchable and then a team asks for one or two of them and cashman refuses . So then after missing out on big trades , the fans then bring up that term , because they bought into the hype and use it to cope with why the trade wasnt done . That term wasnt widely known until around the mid 2000s when cashman got complete control. The media just uses it to excuse cashman passing up on such big trades . Its nothing new that the media has been soft with cashman for a long time |
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Post by fwclipper51 on Feb 8, 2024 22:25:24 GMT -5
It seems that some teams GM's are asking too high prices for their players this off-season. The White Sox haven't traded Starter Dylan Cease yet, because of high price of the players they want in return for him. Both the Yankees and the Orioles had said no to the White Sox General Manager player demands.
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Post by posadafan24 on Feb 8, 2024 22:48:44 GMT -5
It seems that some teams GM's are asking too high prices for their players this off-season. The White Sox haven't traded Starter Dylan Cease yet, because of high price of the players they want in return for him. Both the Yankees and the Orioles had said no to the White Sox General Manager player demands.
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