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Post by Max on Feb 9, 2024 10:02:43 GMT -5
Well said Clipper, I couldn't agree more. Just like Burnes, Bieber is in his walk year too. If the Guardians are looking for Hampton and Jones, that should be another no from the Yankees. The same applies to Cease, even though he is signed for the 2025 season. Hey Max, I haven't seen a reference to both Hampton and Jones being the ask. Was that actually a published rumor or speculation?
It was mentioned in the media a few times.
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Post by Max on Feb 9, 2024 10:27:25 GMT -5
We've heard about a "Yankee tax" and rumors that teams want more in return from the Yankees in trades than from other teams. Is this really a thing, or a media fed invention? If it is real, when did it start and why?
Is it really a thing? I don't know. I first heard about the "Yankees Tax" over 30 years ago. As to how it got started, or any examples of it, or who came up with the phrase, it's too long ago for me to remember something so trivial.
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Post by 1955nyyfan on Feb 9, 2024 10:56:51 GMT -5
Hey Max, I haven't seen a reference to both Hampton and Jones being the ask. Was that actually a published rumor or speculation?
It was mentioned in the media a few times. OK, Thanks Max, I didn't see it reported like that. I saw Jones name and prospects but never both Jones and Hampton. I guess it's a moot point now. I wouldn't have included Jones, but if you are "all-in" would/should the Yanks have built a package around Hampton? The "all-in" speculation that occurred after Soto was interesting to me. A lot of writers said the Yankees needed to be "all-in" to leverage the Judge/Cole years but I don't believe I've heard Cash or Hal use that termonology. I'm not suggesting they be "all-in" (at least the way I define it) which would include moving top prospects for immediate help and blowing through the LT threshold. I think trying to be competitive while keeping an eye on the future feels like a better approach.
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Post by Max on Feb 9, 2024 10:59:16 GMT -5
It was mentioned in the media a few times. OK, Thanks Max, I didn't see it reported like that. I saw Jones name and prospects but never both Jones and Hampton. I guess it's a moot point now. I wouldn't have included Jones, but if you are "all-in" would/should the Yanks have built a package around Hampton? The "all-in" speculation that occurred after Soto was interesting to me. A lot of writers said the Yankees needed to be "all-in" to leverage the Judge/Cole years but I don't believe I've heard Cash or Hal use that termonology. I'm not suggesting they be "all-in" (at least the way I define it) which would include moving top prospects for immediate help and blowing through the LT threshold. I think trying to be competitive while keeping an eye on the future feels like a better approach. You're welcome 55.
When I hear the phrase "all in" I'm assuming that means "all in" but within reason. I don't consider it to be "all in" within reason for the Yankees to trade a bunch of top prospects for another player that's in his walk year.
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Post by 1955nyyfan on Feb 9, 2024 11:07:04 GMT -5
We've heard about a "Yankee tax" and rumors that teams want more in return from the Yankees in trades than from other teams. Is this really a thing, or a media fed invention? If it is real, when did it start and why?
Is it really a thing? I don't know. I first heard about the "Yankees Tax" over 30 years ago. As to how it got started, or any examples of it, or who came up with the phrase, it's too long ago for me to remember something so trivial.
While I don't believe there is a League wide "Yankee Tax", GMs are people and have personalities. Some have friendships and are more comfortable dealing with each other, have built relationships. I think to some degree that is why we see teams make deals with common trading partners. I'm just guessing but if packages are close in talent, you make the deal with your buddy, if you are going back and forth with several teams, you give your buddy the last opportunity to bid. Cash has been at this a long time, one would have expected him to have created a lot of relationships and I'm not saying he hasn't but maybe he hasn't? All speculation on my part and as with most speculation from an uninformed source there may be some truth and some BS.
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Post by inger on Feb 9, 2024 11:21:10 GMT -5
The worst part about a rabid “all in” approach is that you can mortgage the future, but there’s no guarantee of actually winning the World Series. Just like the gambler at his favorite table, if he goes in he can win big… or be wiped out…
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Post by grandforks on Feb 9, 2024 11:29:24 GMT -5
The worst part about a rabid “all in” approach is that you can mortgage the future, but there’s no guarantee of actually winning the World Series. Just like the gambler at his favorite table, if he goes in he can win big… or be wiped out… You got to know when to hold them
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Post by ypaterson on Feb 9, 2024 11:31:17 GMT -5
It seems that some teams GM's are asking too high prices for their players this off-season. The White Sox haven't traded Starter Dylan Cease yet, because of high price of the players they want in return for him. Both the Yankees and the Orioles had said no to the White Sox General Manager player demands.
Clipper Atleast cease is a proven mlb talent . You are right concerning the odds of any prospect making an impact on the ML level. Most guys fail and more end up good than great. But there is always a risk in any player move. I think we agree that Stanton was a proven MLB talent when Cashman made the deal. Same for signing Ellsbury or Rodon. And you could go back a lut further: Wright, Weaver. Brown. et. al. I am not saying that I wouldn't be happy to have Burnes in the rotation. All I am saying is that all these moves are sure things in February...not always by October.
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Post by azbob643 on Feb 9, 2024 12:00:21 GMT -5
I've always been one to prefer a mostly homegrown team. The Yanks now have the opportunity to be just that, while getting younger. The addition of Volpe, Wells and Dominguez is a good start…hopefully Jones and a few others will pan out. I’d rather not mortgage the future for possible short-term rewards.
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Post by chiyankee on Feb 9, 2024 12:02:47 GMT -5
The worst part about a rabid “all in” approach is that you can mortgage the future, but there’s no guarantee of actually winning the World Series. Just like the gambler at his favorite table, if he goes in he can win big… or be wiped out… You got to know when to hold them
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Post by bomberhojoe on Feb 9, 2024 12:06:58 GMT -5
You got to know when to hold them I remember the game this picture was from. Most people probably think Boggs has dirt on his uniform from sliding or diving. However, it is actually barbeque sauce he spilled on himself from the chicken he ate before the game.
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Post by posadafan24 on Feb 9, 2024 15:14:11 GMT -5
The worst part about a rabid “all in” approach is that you can mortgage the future, but there’s no guarantee of actually winning the World Series. Just like the gambler at his favorite table, if he goes in he can win big… or be wiped out… You got to know when to hold them You gotta know when to fold them and get a better hand
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Post by posadafan24 on Feb 9, 2024 15:21:37 GMT -5
Atleast cease is a proven mlb talent . You are right concerning the odds of any prospect making an impact on the ML level. Most guys fail and more end up good than great. But there is always a risk in any player move. I think we agree that Stanton was a proven MLB talent when Cashman made the deal. Same for signing Ellsbury or Rodon. And you could go back a lut further: Wright, Weaver. Brown. et. al. I am not saying that I wouldn't be happy to have Burnes in the rotation. All I am saying is that all these moves are sure things in February...not always by October. Thibg is , stanton , rodon , wright , and weaver , were all either cheaper or alternate moves made by cashman after he passed on better players because of his prospect hugging or in weaver’s case one of many examples of cashman’s lousy judgement in talent . Remember cashman didnt see harper as a fit a year later so he got stanton as the cheaper alternative deal . As for brown that deal was simply a garbarge for garbage deal because weaver was such a horrible failure . In fact if you go look at cashman’s history of starting pitching trades since the brown trade , they were almost always the cheaper alternative after passing on the sure things . And to no surprise they didnt work out very well or ended up badly . Why? Because you get what you pay for .
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Post by grandforks on Feb 9, 2024 18:42:10 GMT -5
You got to know when to hold them You gotta know when to fold them and get a better hand Wrong song You got to know when to hold them Know when to fold them Know when to walk away Know when to run You never count your money… Chi knows the song. He can sing it to you.
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Post by posadafan24 on Feb 9, 2024 19:02:13 GMT -5
You gotta know when to fold them and get a better hand Wrong song You got to know when to hold them Know when to fold them Know when to walk away Know when to run You never count your money… Chi knows the song. He can sing it to you. I know the gambler . I grew up at time . I only reworded the line to better fit my narrative that prospects are more of a currency than anything else
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