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Post by chiyankee on Nov 3, 2023 7:03:29 GMT -5
This World Series had the lowest TV viewership ever, at least since there have been records starting in 1968. It averaged 9.1 million viewers, down 23 percent from last year. The previous low was in 2020, the pandemic series played at a neutral site (Arlington) which averaged 9.9 million viewers. By way of comparison, the most-watched World Series ever was 1978, Yankees and Dodgers, which averaged over 44 million viewers per game, almost five times this year's numbers. In fact the five most-watched Series ever all came between 1978-1982. That included a strike year (1981) and two small-market years (Orioles-Pirates 1979 and Brewers and Cardinals, 1982.) The most-watched single game was Game Seven 1986, Mets-Red Sox, with between 55-60 million viewers. Even in 1968, when it was still all day games, the Tigers and Cardinals averaged around 25 million viewers. Still, even with the low numbers, the Series was the most-watched TV show in its time slot in four of the five nights (this includes streaming.) The one night it finished second was up against Monday Night Football, a meaningless game between Detroit and whatever city the Raiders are currently passing through. I had a feeling the viewership would be low considering the match-up. I myself only caught a few innings and just saw the highlights later. I miss Yankees baseball. The game attendance figures throughout the season show that baseball is still popular but fans aren't dumb. The league watered down the playoffs by adding yet another wild card team and a lot of fans know that Arizona didn't belong in the playoffs, let alone the World Series. Great job Atlanta, LA and Philly in choking during the biggest moments. Another factor is the way the game is trending with quick hook mangers not allowing starting pitchers to work deep into games. We even had middle relievers starting games during the World Series. Do better MLB!
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Post by pippsheadache on Nov 3, 2023 7:10:48 GMT -5
I had a feeling the viewership would be low considering the match-up. I myself only caught a few innings and just saw the highlights later. I miss Yankees baseball. The game attendance figures throughout the season show that baseball is still popular but fans aren't dumb. The league watered down the playoffs by adding yet another wild card team and a lot of fans know that Arizona didn't belong in the playoffs, let alone the World Series. Great job Atlanta, LA and Philly in choking during the biggest moments. Another factor is the way the game is trending with quick hook mangers not allowing starting pitchers to work deep into games. We even had middle relievers starting games during the World Series. Do better MLB! What you said Chi. The demise of the starting pitcher is a major blow to the attraction of the game. It removes one of the most exciting aspects. Throwing six or seven anonymous relievers out there who nobody will remember the day after the series ends might -- might -- make sense analytically, but it definitely dilutes fan interest.
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Post by inger on Nov 3, 2023 9:35:54 GMT -5
I had a feeling the viewership would be low considering the match-up. I myself only caught a few innings and just saw the highlights later. I miss Yankees baseball. I'm sure the numbers would have improved with a New York team in there, but I don't think it would have been dramatic. Series viewership has been declining for decades, even while attendance and local viewership has been strong. In fact, viewership for network games was up seven percent in 2023 compared to 2022. Fox, FS1 and TBS all had solid upturns; only ESPN games remained flat. I guess we aren't the only ones who find the ESPN games painful to watch. D'Backs-Rangers have limited appeal outside of those two (large) markets. Neither team has much of a national following like the Yanks, Dodgers, Red Sox, Cubs, Cardinals and maybe a few others do. Plus the expanded playoffs meant we had the teams with the seventh and eleventh-best records playing. There is a definite downside to having 40 percent of the teams making the post-season. Personally, I watched maybe half of each game. I enjoyed it. But I love baseball in general, I'm not the typical viewer. I'll stop to watch two teams playing a pickup game in the park. I'll even watch a few innings of a Royals -- Athletics game in late September if the timing is right. No hope for me. But the rest of you, save yourselves so you don't wind up like that! I used to be like you. Baseball, plus basketball, football, bowling, golf. If a ball was involved I was in…
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Post by inger on Nov 3, 2023 9:38:03 GMT -5
I'm sure the numbers would have improved with a New York team in there, but I don't think it would have been dramatic. Series viewership has been declining for decades, even while attendance and local viewership has been strong. In fact, viewership for network games was up seven percent in 2023 compared to 2022. Fox, FS1 and TBS all had solid upturns; only ESPN games remained flat. I guess we aren't the only ones who find the ESPN games painful to watch. D'Backs-Rangers have limited appeal outside of those two (large) markets. Neither team has much of a national following like the Yanks, Dodgers, Red Sox, Cubs, Cardinals and maybe a few others do. Plus the expanded playoffs meant we had the teams with the seventh and eleventh-best records playing. There is a definite downside to having 40 percent of the teams making the post-season. Personally, I watched maybe half of each game. I enjoyed it. But I love baseball in general, I'm not the typical viewer. I'll stop to watch two teams playing a pickup game in the park. I'll even watch a few innings of a Royals -- Athletics game in late September if the timing is right. No hope for me. But the rest of you, save yourselves so you don't wind up like that! I'm more of a Yankee fan than a baseball fan. I hardly miss Yankees games but once they're out, I only have a passing interest in watching the actual full games without them. I do get more interested if the hated Astros or Red Sox are playing to root against them. I became this after the 1994 strike. I wanted to tell Baseball to kiss my… foot after that strike. It still rankles me to this day because the only losers were the fans…
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Post by inger on Nov 3, 2023 9:42:03 GMT -5
The game attendance figures throughout the season show that baseball is still popular but fans aren't dumb. The league watered down the playoffs by adding yet another wild card team and a lot of fans know that Arizona didn't belong in the playoffs, let alone the World Series. Great job Atlanta, LA and Philly in choking during the biggest moments. Another factor is the way the game is trending with quick hook mangers not allowing starting pitchers to work deep into games. We even had middle relievers starting games during the World Series. Do better MLB! What you said Chi. The demise of the starting pitcher is a major blow to the attraction of the game. It removes one of the most exciting aspects. Throwing six or seven anonymous relievers out there who nobody will remember the day after the series ends might -- might -- make sense analytically, but it definitely dilutes fan interest. The 300-inning pitcher died off, the the 250-inning pitcher. Now, if a guy exceeds 180 innings he’s a real bulldog. The Gerritt Cole types at 200+ are the grizzled aces that exceed requirements. Their arm might fall off! … 🤓
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Post by rizzuto on Nov 3, 2023 20:55:38 GMT -5
I had a feeling the viewership would be low considering the match-up. I myself only caught a few innings and just saw the highlights later. I miss Yankees baseball. I'm sure the numbers would have improved with a New York team in there, but I don't think it would have been dramatic. Series viewership has been declining for decades, even while attendance and local viewership has been strong. In fact, viewership for network games was up seven percent in 2023 compared to 2022. Fox, FS1 and TBS all had solid upturns; only ESPN games remained flat. I guess we aren't the only ones who find the ESPN games painful to watch. D'Backs-Rangers have limited appeal outside of those two (large) markets. Neither team has much of a national following like the Yanks, Dodgers, Red Sox, Cubs, Cardinals and maybe a few others do. Plus the expanded playoffs meant we had the teams with the seventh and eleventh-best records playing. There is a definite downside to having 40 percent of the teams making the post-season. Personally, I watched maybe half of each game. I enjoyed it. But I love baseball in general, I'm not the typical viewer. I'll stop to watch two teams playing a pickup game in the park. I'll even watch a few innings of a Royals -- Athletics game in late September if the timing is right. No hope for me. But the rest of you, save yourselves so you don't wind up like that! You are so much like my Yankee buddy Joe Simas. If it was baseball, he didn't care if it was the World Series or Little League. Joe marked and recalled the events in his life with baseball associations year to year. Some of the most fun I had watching baseball was the years I held season tickets to the Visalia Oaks Single-A team. I can still taste those Polish dogs cooked on an outside grill near the left field fence.
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Post by rizzuto on Nov 3, 2023 21:03:54 GMT -5
I'm more of a Yankee fan than a baseball fan. I hardly miss Yankees games but once they're out, I only have a passing interest in watching the actual full games without them. I do get more interested if the hated Astros or Red Sox are playing to root against them. I think the vast majority are that way Kaybli. It didn't used to be that way when baseball was the most popular sport, which was the case until probably sometime in the 1970s when it was surpassed by the NFL. At that time, it was like the NFL has been for the past 50 or so years -- fans would watch the championship even if their team wasn't in it, like what happens for the Super Bowl. A half century goes by and things change. Who'd have thought it? The 70s had the Miami Dolphins back to back and an undefeated season. Then, the Pittsburgh Steelers won four championships during the decade. Cowboys and the Raiders were always in the mix. Sprinkle in the Eagles and the Broncos, and the Redskins were no slouch either. Monday Night Football was absolutely a cultural mainstay with that booth of Don Meredith, Frank Gifford, and Howard Cosell. Great times!
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Post by inger on Nov 3, 2023 21:09:44 GMT -5
I'm sure the numbers would have improved with a New York team in there, but I don't think it would have been dramatic. Series viewership has been declining for decades, even while attendance and local viewership has been strong. In fact, viewership for network games was up seven percent in 2023 compared to 2022. Fox, FS1 and TBS all had solid upturns; only ESPN games remained flat. I guess we aren't the only ones who find the ESPN games painful to watch. D'Backs-Rangers have limited appeal outside of those two (large) markets. Neither team has much of a national following like the Yanks, Dodgers, Red Sox, Cubs, Cardinals and maybe a few others do. Plus the expanded playoffs meant we had the teams with the seventh and eleventh-best records playing. There is a definite downside to having 40 percent of the teams making the post-season. Personally, I watched maybe half of each game. I enjoyed it. But I love baseball in general, I'm not the typical viewer. I'll stop to watch two teams playing a pickup game in the park. I'll even watch a few innings of a Royals -- Athletics game in late September if the timing is right. No hope for me. But the rest of you, save yourselves so you don't wind up like that! You are so much like my Yankee buddy Joe Simas. If it was baseball, he didn't care if it was the World Series or Little League. Joe marked and recalled the events in his life with baseball associations year to year. Some of the most fun I had watching baseball was the years I held season tickets to the Visalia Oaks Single-A team. I can still taste those Polish dogs cooked on an outside grill near the left field fence. You must have some horrendous gastric discomfort if it’s lasted this long…
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Post by inger on Nov 3, 2023 21:10:43 GMT -5
I think the vast majority are that way Kaybli. It didn't used to be that way when baseball was the most popular sport, which was the case until probably sometime in the 1970s when it was surpassed by the NFL. At that time, it was like the NFL has been for the past 50 or so years -- fans would watch the championship even if their team wasn't in it, like what happens for the Super Bowl. A half century goes by and things change. Who'd have thought it? The 70s had the Miami Dolphins back to back and an undefeated season. Then, the Pittsburgh Steelers won four championships during the decade. Cowboys and the Raiders were always in the mix. Sprinkle in the Eagles and the Broncos, and the Redskins were no slouch either. Monday Night Football was absolutely a cultural mainstay with that booth of Don Meredith, Frank Gifford, and Howard Cosell. Great times! Turn out the lights, the party’s over…
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Post by rizzuto on Nov 3, 2023 21:28:55 GMT -5
You are so much like my Yankee buddy Joe Simas. If it was baseball, he didn't care if it was the World Series or Little League. Joe marked and recalled the events in his life with baseball associations year to year. Some of the most fun I had watching baseball was the years I held season tickets to the Visalia Oaks Single-A team. I can still taste those Polish dogs cooked on an outside grill near the left field fence. You must have some horrendous gastric discomfort if it’s lasted this long… Onion, sweet pickle relish, and a little mustard. A fine meal at the ball park.
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Post by pippsheadache on Nov 4, 2023 5:37:43 GMT -5
I'm sure the numbers would have improved with a New York team in there, but I don't think it would have been dramatic. Series viewership has been declining for decades, even while attendance and local viewership has been strong. In fact, viewership for network games was up seven percent in 2023 compared to 2022. Fox, FS1 and TBS all had solid upturns; only ESPN games remained flat. I guess we aren't the only ones who find the ESPN games painful to watch. D'Backs-Rangers have limited appeal outside of those two (large) markets. Neither team has much of a national following like the Yanks, Dodgers, Red Sox, Cubs, Cardinals and maybe a few others do. Plus the expanded playoffs meant we had the teams with the seventh and eleventh-best records playing. There is a definite downside to having 40 percent of the teams making the post-season. Personally, I watched maybe half of each game. I enjoyed it. But I love baseball in general, I'm not the typical viewer. I'll stop to watch two teams playing a pickup game in the park. I'll even watch a few innings of a Royals -- Athletics game in late September if the timing is right. No hope for me. But the rest of you, save yourselves so you don't wind up like that! You are so much like my Yankee buddy Joe Simas. If it was baseball, he didn't care if it was the World Series or Little League. Joe marked and recalled the events in his life with baseball associations year to year. Some of the most fun I had watching baseball was the years I held season tickets to the Visalia Oaks Single-A team. I can still taste those Polish dogs cooked on an outside grill near the left field fence. Thank you for such kind words. And remember Mrs. Pipps and I drank a toast to Joe Simas over a fine dinner in Burgundy last year, per your suggestion. Beef Burgundy rather than Polish Dogs, but the spirit was the same. I've been hooked on baseball too long to change now. There has never been a time when it wasn't my favorite sport to play or to watch. Second place has changed constantly -- first NFL, then NBA, then college football, NHL, tennis, golf -- and now college football again -- but baseball has always been the first love. A Visalia Oaks game sounds pretty good right about now. These days, for in-person attendance, I would rather go to a minor league than a major league game.
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Post by rizzuto on Nov 4, 2023 11:36:31 GMT -5
You are so much like my Yankee buddy Joe Simas. If it was baseball, he didn't care if it was the World Series or Little League. Joe marked and recalled the events in his life with baseball associations year to year. Some of the most fun I had watching baseball was the years I held season tickets to the Visalia Oaks Single-A team. I can still taste those Polish dogs cooked on an outside grill near the left field fence. Thank you for such kind words. And remember Mrs. Pipps and I drank a toast to Joe Simas over a fine dinner in Burgundy last year, per your suggestion. Beef Burgundy rather than Polish Dogs, but the spirit was the same. I've been hooked on baseball too long to change now. There has never been a time when it wasn't my favorite sport to play or to watch. Second place has changed constantly -- first NFL, then NBA, then college football, NHL, tennis, golf -- and now college football again -- but baseball has always been the first love. A Visalia Oaks game sounds pretty good right about now. These days, for in-person attendance, I would rather go to a minor league than a major league game. I do recall and believe me Joe would have been profoundly humbled by the gesture from a true baseball fan. Joe and I would gab for hours on end, only interrupted by meals, bathroom breaks, and eventually sleep. You two would have been fast friends. Minor league baseball any day of the week. No trouble parking or traffic jams, no fights in the park or after the game, genuine baseball fans seated next to you, family members with hopeful spouses dreaming of the graduating to the next level, and some 30-year ballpark patron flipping burgers for free and serving as a "foster-parent" to one of the new and not yet domiciled players. One of the few American dreams still alive and well from tee ball to adulthood.
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Post by inger on Nov 4, 2023 13:04:03 GMT -5
Thank you for such kind words. And remember Mrs. Pipps and I drank a toast to Joe Simas over a fine dinner in Burgundy last year, per your suggestion. Beef Burgundy rather than Polish Dogs, but the spirit was the same. I've been hooked on baseball too long to change now. There has never been a time when it wasn't my favorite sport to play or to watch. Second place has changed constantly -- first NFL, then NBA, then college football, NHL, tennis, golf -- and now college football again -- but baseball has always been the first love. A Visalia Oaks game sounds pretty good right about now. These days, for in-person attendance, I would rather go to a minor league than a major league game. I do recall and believe me Joe would have been profoundly humbled by the gesture from a true baseball fan. Joe and I would gab for hours on end, only interrupted by meals, bathroom breaks, and eventually sleep. You two would have been fast friends. Minor league baseball any day of the week. No trouble parking or traffic jams, no fights in the park or after the game, genuine baseball fans seated next to you, family members with hopeful spouses dreaming of the graduating to the next level, and some 30-year ballpark patron flipping burgers for free and serving as a "foster-parent" to one of the new and not yet domiciled players. One of the few American dreams still alive and well from tee ball to adulthood. And the pleasure of being very likely seated next to the parents of a ball player, living and dying with action of their child in the game. By know they’ve grown beyond the stage of being the obnoxious parents of a seven year old second baseman. Screaming at umpire for blocking their son’s HOF career…
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Post by domeplease on Nov 4, 2023 17:28:33 GMT -5
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Post by kaybli on Nov 4, 2023 17:36:46 GMT -5
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