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Post by kaybli on Dec 19, 2023 20:26:37 GMT -5
Let's make a dedicated Yamamoto thread for all things Yoshi instead of just discussing it in the Hotstove thread.
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Post by kaybli on Dec 19, 2023 20:27:13 GMT -5
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Post by kaybli on Dec 19, 2023 20:28:06 GMT -5
What do you think guys? Is he worth a 300+ million dollar contract or should we pass and sign other available free agent pitchers or perhaps make a trade?
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Post by rizzuto on Dec 19, 2023 20:43:11 GMT -5
What do you think guys? Is he worth a 300+ million dollar contract or should we pass and sign other available free agent pitchers or perhaps make a trade? It's not my money, so I am for the Yankees to stop pretending to be a small market team. They are the richest team in baseball, and Cashman's bargain basement hunting only appears to prove successful with some relievers, never position players or starting pitchers. The AAAA players we ran out to left field the last couple years have been embarrassing. |
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Post by kaybli on Dec 19, 2023 20:45:04 GMT -5
What do you think guys? Is he worth a 300+ million dollar contract or should we pass and sign other available free agent pitchers or perhaps make a trade? It's not my money, so I am for the Yankees to stop pretending to be a small market team. They are the richest team in baseball, and Cashman's bargain basement hunting only appears to prove successful with some relievers, never position players or starting pitchers. The AAAA players we ran out to left field the last couple years have been embarrassing. I agree but I also know Hal will have a budget, so is it worth the huge contract or would those resources be better used elsewhere? |
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Post by rizzuto on Dec 19, 2023 20:51:24 GMT -5
It's not my money, so I am for the Yankees to stop pretending to be a small market team. They are the richest team in baseball, and Cashman's bargain basement hunting only appears to prove successful with some relievers, never position players or starting pitchers. The AAAA players we ran out to left field the last couple years have been embarrassing. I agree but I also know Hal will have a budget, so is it worth the huge contract or would those resources be better used elsewhere? I'd hate to allow a three-time Japanese "Cy Young" Award Winner to pitch for another team, when all it costs is money. Why allow the Dodgers or the Mets to outspend the wealthiest team in sports. And, he's only 25 years old. The Dodgers are a pretty savvy organization, when it comes to free agents, the draft, and future Rookies of the Year. |
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Post by kaybli on Dec 19, 2023 21:03:34 GMT -5
I agree but I also know Hal will have a budget, so is it worth the huge contract or would those resources be better used elsewhere? I'd hate to allow a three-time Japanese "Cy Young" Award Winner to pitch for another team, when all it costs is money. Why allow the Dodgers or the Mets to outspend the wealthiest team in sports. And, he's only 25 years old. The Dodgers are a pretty savvy organization, when it comes to free agents, the draft, and future Rookies of the Year. Agreed. What if he commands Aaron Judge money? Judge got 9 years 360 million. What if it takes 10 years 400 million to nab Yamamoto? Still do it? |
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Post by rizzuto on Dec 19, 2023 21:12:56 GMT -5
I'd hate to allow a three-time Japanese "Cy Young" Award Winner to pitch for another team, when all it costs is money. Why allow the Dodgers or the Mets to outspend the wealthiest team in sports. And, he's only 25 years old. The Dodgers are a pretty savvy organization, when it comes to free agents, the draft, and future Rookies of the Year. Agreed. What if he commands Aaron Judge money? Judge got 9 years 360 million. What if it takes 10 years 400 million to nab Yamamoto? Still do it? As always, there is a floor and ceiling for crazy, especially those who have not yet thrown a pitch in MLB. What I would hate is for the Yankees to concede the acquisition for a couple million dollars per year for ten years. Bryce Harper looks like a steal now. On the other hand, the Yankees cannot bid against themselves, which they did for A-Rod in his extension or when they paid Jason Giambi like a five-tool player. I loathed both of those deals. |
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Post by kaybli on Dec 20, 2023 8:31:07 GMT -5
From RAB Thoughts:
Here are the latest Yamamoto rumors via Jack Curry, Jack Harris, Bob Klapisch, Jon Morosi, Jeff Passan, and Mike Puma.
-Yamamoto began taking formal contract offers Monday. His representatives asked clubs for preliminary offers early in the process so they could see who was serious, and weed out teams that were interested but weren’t going to make competitive offers.
-It’s been said Yamamoto wants to pitch on the “biggest stage,” and who knows what that means. The Yankees are the sport’s most iconic franchise, but the biggest stage to him could be the one that features Mookie Betts, Freddie Freeman, and Shohei Ohtani.
-The Dodgers are considering a bid in the $250M to $300M range. That feels like the get in price at this point, but who knows what the contract structure will be with the Dodgers and their big deferrals and all that.
-Yamamoto has unique training and preparation methods (read Passan’s article) and the Yankees apparently told him they won’t interfere or change anything.
-There is a “growing sense” Yamamoto will not sign until after Christmas, and maybe not until after New Years. Groan.
A $300M contract, which seems likely at this point, would come with a $46M+ posting fee. Ken Rosenthal says the posting fee will be paid in installments. The first 50% is due within 14 days, the next 25% is due within 12 months, and the final 25% is due within 18 months. That eases the burden a bit, though I doubt that changes Yamamoto’s market in any way.
Yamamoto’s feelings are the great unknown and there’s so much conflicting information out there. One day you hear he prefers one thing, the next day it’s something else. It’s exhausting. We simply don’t know whether Yamamoto considers New York and the Yankees the biggest stage, if he’s okay playing second fiddle to Ohtani with the Dodgers, or countless other things.
The Yankees went 82-80 in 2023, so they have to do more selling than usual here. They have to sell Yamamoto on this past season being a blip, which it was compared to 2017-22 but may not be when you look at their recent decision-making, and on joining a team where he will not be the ace. At least not initially. Gerrit Cole is and will continue to be the No. 1, and get that spotlight.
They could also (probably did?) try to sell Yamamoto on the idea of helping the Yankees return to prominence. That was part of the pitch to CC Sabathia back in the day. Yeah, we’re the Yankees, but we need you to get us back to dominating the sport. Being the guy who puts the Yankees back on top could appeal to Yamamoto. It did Sabathia. It did many others. Fingers crossed it works here.
I really, really, really hope that nugget about Yamamoto possibly not signing until after Christmas (or worse, New Years) is wrong. I get it, this is a major life decision, but COME ON man. Sign Thursday, press conference Friday, on a plane back to Japan Saturday. Sound good? These things have a way of coming together quickly. I sincerely hope they do here, one way or another.
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Post by chiyankee on Dec 20, 2023 9:41:54 GMT -5
What do you think guys? Is he worth a 300+ million dollar contract or should we pass and sign other available free agent pitchers or perhaps make a trade? Not only 300+ million but the posting fee Yamamoto's Japanese club is based on a percentage of the overall contract. The team that lands him is looking at a 40+ million posting fee in addition to the large contract. (OK, is see the posting fee was mentioned in the RAB thoughts that Kay posted) This guy might have a blazing fastball but these negotiations are going at a snail's pace. |
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Post by MoeMoney on Dec 20, 2023 9:46:37 GMT -5
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Post by kaybli on Dec 20, 2023 10:12:09 GMT -5
That's an angle I wasn't aware of. Thanks MoeMoney. Certainly seems more important to land Yamamoto than it already was. |
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Post by HHill on Dec 20, 2023 22:08:41 GMT -5
FIrst time here. Fully support overpaying for him. Of course , what does "overpaying" mean in today's crazy salary structure. Yanks dont delveop TOR pitchers so they have to pay.
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Post by kaybli on Dec 20, 2023 22:15:29 GMT -5
FIrst time here. Fully support overpaying for him. Of course , what does "overpaying" mean in today's crazy salary structure. Yanks dont delveop TOR pitchers so they have to pay. Welcome HHill!
Though you are welcome to continue posting as a guest, I recommend signing up so you can get the full scope of forum features like a post count, PMs, inserting pictures and twitter links, etc. It's very easy to do. Just hit Register in the top right corner of the page and follow the instructions.
As for Yamamoto, I support an overpay to a certain extent. I would no go as far to where it would hamper say our pursuit of signing Soto to an extension. Where that line is, I don't know, only Hal does, but I'm sure he has some kind of budget unfortunately.
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Post by Hhill on Dec 20, 2023 22:19:38 GMT -5
thanks..will do
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