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Post by ypaterson on Feb 20, 2024 13:13:00 GMT -5
Andy Martino: Juan Soto worked out this winter with longtime elite OFer Jackie Bradley Jr. That cannot hurt. The fact that he is concerned about his defense is a good sign.
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Post by qimqam on Feb 20, 2024 13:30:24 GMT -5
Andy Martino: Juan Soto worked out this winter with longtime elite OFer Jackie Bradley Jr. To those who think defense is just as important as offense ... who would you rather have Soto or longtime elite OFer Jackie Bradley Jr. ... in their primes
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Post by domeplease on Feb 20, 2024 19:11:41 GMT -5
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Post by inger on Feb 20, 2024 19:50:43 GMT -5
Andy Martino: Juan Soto worked out this winter with longtime elite OFer Jackie Bradley Jr. To those who think defense is just as important as offense ... who would you rather have Soto or longtime elite OFer Jackie Bradley Jr. ... in their primes I’ll put myself in that camp. Stopping runs is indeed equally important to creating them. Jackie Bradley, Jr. was never a consistent enough bat to make himself a force in the lineup. His defense, while great was probably not in any way generational. Soto wins, hands down, basing that on Soto’s generational offensive talent…
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Post by bomberhojoe on Feb 20, 2024 20:02:20 GMT -5
To those who think defense is just as important as offense ... who would you rather have Soto or longtime elite OFer Jackie Bradley Jr. ... in their primes I’ll put myself in that camp. Stopping runs is indeed equally important to creating them. Jackie Bradley, Jr. was never a consistent enough bat to make himself a force in the lineup. His defense, while great was probably not in any way generational. Soto wins, hands down, basing that on Soto’s generational offensive talent… I'm with you Inger. Guys like Ozzie Smith, Graig Nettles, Brooks Robinson, Jim Edmonds were tremendously valuable because of their defensive prowess alone. However, they all contributed offensively as well.
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Post by rizzuto on Feb 20, 2024 20:56:42 GMT -5
Andy Martino: Juan Soto worked out this winter with longtime elite OFer Jackie Bradley Jr. JB, Jr. was a heck of an outfielder with no weaknesses. If he could have only hit.
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Post by qimqam on Feb 20, 2024 23:23:20 GMT -5
To those who think defense is just as important as offense ... who would you rather have Soto or longtime elite OFer Jackie Bradley Jr. ... in their primes I’ll put myself in that camp. Stopping runs is indeed equally important to creating them. Jackie Bradley, Jr. was never a consistent enough bat to make himself a force in the lineup. His defense, while great was probably not in any way generational. Soto wins, hands down, basing that on Soto’s generational offensive talent… But does an elite defender prevent as many runs as an elite hitter creates?
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Post by qimqam on Feb 20, 2024 23:41:17 GMT -5
I’ll put myself in that camp. Stopping runs is indeed equally important to creating them. Jackie Bradley, Jr. was never a consistent enough bat to make himself a force in the lineup. His defense, while great was probably not in any way generational. Soto wins, hands down, basing that on Soto’s generational offensive talent… I'm with you Inger. Guys like Ozzie Smith, Graig Nettles, Brooks Robinson, Jim Edmonds were tremendously valuable because of their defensive prowess alone. However, they all contributed offensively as well. As good as Nettles was defensively ... His career offensive WAR was about 2.5 times his career defensive WAR Ozzie Smith who is arguably the Greatest defensive SS in MLB History and had an really bad Career OPS of .666 ... stll had a higher offesnive WAR than dWAR Same goes for Robinson 2 of the greatest defensive players in MLB history at their respective positions ... and they still won more games with their offense Edmonds career 57.2 oWAR vs 6.4 dWAR ... If Edmonds couldnt hit he'd be a defensive substitute ... If he couldn't play CF he'd be RF, LF, 1B or DH A great hitter will always have a full time role (Big Papi) ... a great fielder still has to hit (unless it's 1970's) and you just dont have anyone that could hit (i.e Mark Belanger)
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Post by inger on Feb 21, 2024 13:29:32 GMT -5
I'm with you Inger. Guys like Ozzie Smith, Graig Nettles, Brooks Robinson, Jim Edmonds were tremendously valuable because of their defensive prowess alone. However, they all contributed offensively as well. As good as Nettles was defensively ... His career offensive WAR was about 2.5 times his career defensive WAR Ozzie Smith who is arguably the Greatest defensive SS in MLB History and had an really bad Career OPS of .666 ... stll had a higher offesnive WAR than dWAR Same goes for Robinson 2 of the greatest defensive players in MLB history at their respective positions ... and they still won more games with their offense Edmonds career 57.2 oWAR vs 6.4 dWAR ... If Edmonds couldnt hit he'd be a defensive substitute ... If he couldn't play CF he'd be RF, LF, 1B or DH A great hitter will always have a full time role (Big Papi) ... a great fielder still has to hit (unless it's 1970's) and you just dont have anyone that could hit (i.e Mark Belanger) I like this subject. When viewed strictly within the bounds of WAR, one would think that offense is the single most dominant factor in winning baseball games. Yet, if a dominant pitcher is on his game, the offense can be completely shut down on a given day. If baseball were purely mathematics all we would need to do is run a few programs on the first day of the season and forget about spending all those hours watching baseball. First, we can either take WAR as the ultimate authority of value, or not. If we look at it on a per player basis like the fine example you’ve brought to the table offense dwarf’s defense, and in reality it probably does. But we need to understand that just as light is bent by a prism, there is something else going on here. I wish I had the mathematical chops to form the necessary equation but I don’t. Well, maybe I do if I wanted to spend that much time on the subject, but I don’t think I do. The equation would need to take into account that baseball is a team game. Here’s my feeble attempt to explain. At any given moment when a batter steps to the plate his first line of opposition is of course, the pitcher. As per the fielders, that batter is not taking them on one in one, he’s opposed by all nine men on the field in front of him. So, it’s cumulative WAR vs. his singular WAR at that moment. The batter’s tendencies come into play as well, as he is more likely to hit to certain fields, and some are more likely than others to drive the ball over the fence in which case he nullifies all defenders for the moment. Let’s just pick two players, and let’s play a game of which would you want to have 9 of for the team? David Ortiz vs. Ozzie Smith for instance. The Ortiz team would have a fielder of Ortiz’ defensive skill set at every position and all batters on that team would hit just like Ortiz, the opposite for Ozzie. The pitcher would have to be the same vs. both for this to work, so it matters not at all if it’s the same pitcher all through the game or, if a different pitcher appears each inning, not really what quality the pitching is, as long as it’s equal for each team. Who wins that game? Does Ortiz power automatically dominate? Or can Ozzie take advantage of the defensive weakness to keep action on the bases and utilize his skills to run wild against the woeful Ortiz the catcher? How many errors might the Ortiz team pile up under all that pressure? How many times is Ortiz going to drive a ball into the gap only to see the Oz-quality outfielders run it down? I have no idea who wins, but it’s fun to think about it. To answer your question I think the statement I will make here will make the most sense. I would no more rather have a team made up of all Ozzies than I would a team of all Ortiz’. I would select the best fielders among the best hitters available with the knowledge that there would be only incremental differences in the offensive (and defensive) abilities of the players I selected and the ones I bypassed. I’ve always believed that winning teams are best constructed on balance. Games are so often won or lost within the range of one swing of the bat, which is four runs or less. Your opponent can’t win if they don’t score, and neither can you. An error or missed cutoff man can and often will be the difference in a game. The player that doesn’t reach base because of a strong fielding play, the big double play turned at a crucial moment means someone didn’t score in front of HR that got hit. But there is no room for the Dal Maxvills and Mark Belangers of the world in 2024 baseball, simply because the power game has been invited to dominate. Closer fences, rules bent to accommodate power hitters are the culprits. The bigger the field, the more defense can shine., A further issue with WAR is that it’s cumulative, but I don’t want to go down that rabbit hole here. It’s a completely different problem… *By the way, OPS is the best stat we have to view player offense only, but it’s definitely flawed. Adding up two numbers that are unrelated is a fatal flaw. It’s fed to us because it’s easy…
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Post by jiminy on Feb 21, 2024 13:30:52 GMT -5
Yankeesource: Giancarlo Stanton vs. RHP: 2021: .273/.341/.522 2022: .220/.305/.492 2023: .191/.275/.421 Stanton should be a force vs. LHP. He needs to find a way to hit RHP this year to have a good season. Hopefully some of the changes he's made (physical and swing) helps him get more consistency.
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Post by jiminy on Feb 21, 2024 13:32:01 GMT -5
Byran Hoch: Gleyber Torres said that he remains open to an extension. “I don’t want to leave from here. I feel at home right now. I want to be a Yankee for life.”
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Post by inger on Feb 21, 2024 14:29:50 GMT -5
Byran Hoch: Gleyber Torres said that he remains open to an extension. “I don’t want to leave from here. I feel at home right now. I want to be a Yankee for life.” I gotta feel for the guy, but tipping his hand may not be very smart from a negotiating stand point…
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Post by fwclipper51 on Feb 21, 2024 14:31:41 GMT -5
Yankees Notes: Judge, Holmes By Darragh McDonald | February 20, 2024 at 6:30pm CDT MLB Rumors
Yankees outfielder Aaron Judge had a challenging season in 2023, suffering a torn toe ligament when he collided with the outfield wall at Dodger Stadium. Back in December, general manager Brian Cashman described it as “a resolved issue” but Judge spoke on it today and didn’t frame it with the same sort of finality. He said it will likely require “constant maintenance” for the rest of his career, per Gary Phillips of the New York Daily News.
Judge still said that he’s feeling good, so it doesn’t appear there’s real cause for concern in the immediate future. Nonetheless, it’s something that could be worth watching going forward. Judge is turning 32 years old in April and it slated to become an everyday center fielder this year, with Juan Soto and Alex Verdugo in the corners. Judge may get the occasional day as the designated hitter, with Trent Grisham taking over in center, but it still figures to be a notable jump in terms of work.
In 2022, Judge got into 78 games as a center fielder and logged 632 2/3 innings at the position, with both of those currently standing as his career highs. Assuming he avoids the injured list this year, he should easily blow past both figures. His career marks have been passable at the position, especially considering his minimal experience there, with three Outs Above Average, -1 Defensive Runs Saved and a grade of -0.4 from Ultimate Zone Rating.
Maintaining those average-ish marks over a larger sample of playing time will something of a challenge. He’ll also be doing so while trying to work against the natural aging curve that generally comes for players as they push towards their mid-30s and trying to keep the toe thing at bay. It’s a lot of minor things but they could perhaps add up over time, with Judge having eight years left on his contract. Last season’s results were nothing to worry about, however. After coming off the IL in late July, Judge hit .245/.408/.557 over the remainder of the season for a wRC+ of 164.
Elsewhere in Yankee news, right-hander Clay Holmes tells Joel Sherman of The New York Post that the club has not yet approached him about an extension. Holmes, 31 next month, is slated to become a free agent at the end of this year.
Over the past two years, Holmes has established himself as the club’s primary closer, racking up 44 saves over those two campaigns. He’s thrown 126 2/3 innings in that time, allowing 2.70 earned runs per nine. He has struck out 26.1% of batters faced and given out walks at an 8.2% clip while, most impressively, keeping 70.6% of balls in play on the ground. That’s the best grounder rate in the majors among pitchers with at least 120 innings pitched over the last two years.
Keeping that kind of production around beyond the upcoming season is surely appealing, especially for a Yankee club that is known to favor ground ball specialists. But since he’s so close to the open market, the Yanks would likely have to pay something close to free agent prices in order to get him to sign.
Perhaps the club feels they can find the next Holmes another way. As Sherman points out, Holmes didn’t have a huge track record at the time the Yankees acquired him. He had a 5.57 career ERA when the Yanks sent Hoy Park and Diego Castillo to the Pirates to get Holmes, before turning him into a lockdown closer.
But as Sherman also points out, the bullpen is on the cusp of major turnover. Each of Holmes, Jonathan Loáisiga, Tommy Kahnle and Caleb Ferguson are impending free agents. Those four are arguably the club’s top high-leverage guys, leaving a lot of uncertainty going into 2025 and beyond. Bullpens can be fungible and it’s entirely possible the picture is drastically changed by next winter, but there’s a decent chance the Yanks will need to go get someone in free agency.
The club’s payroll will likely be a topic of conversation next winter, as they will likely find themselves paying the competitive balance tax yet again. Roster Resource calculates next year’s CBT number as $190MM, even before factoring in arbitration raises for players like Grisham, Nestor Cortes or Jose Trevino. There’s also Anthony Rizzo’s $17MM club option to consider, with a $6MM buyout making it a net $11MM decision.
Next year’s base threshold will be $241MM while the Yanks will be looking to replace impending free agents like Soto and Verdugo in their outfield mix. Perhaps they would prefer to keep their powder dry for those pursuits instead of spending on their bullpen ahead of time.
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Post by qimqam on Feb 21, 2024 16:07:22 GMT -5
Byran Hoch: Gleyber Torres said that he remains open to an extension. “I don’t want to leave from here. I feel at home right now. I want to be a Yankee for life.” I gotta feel for the guy, but tipping his hand may not be very smart from a negotiating stand point… He doesnt seem to care ... To some people $80m vs $100m is insignificant ... it's the dbag agents that screw everything up
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Post by azbob643 on Feb 21, 2024 16:16:24 GMT -5
Byran Hoch: Gleyber Torres said that he remains open to an extension. “I don’t want to leave from here. I feel at home right now. I want to be a Yankee for life.” I gotta feel for the guy, but tipping his hand may not be very smart from a negotiating stand point… He's essentially saying he doesn't want to be traded...that he's open to considering "reasonable" offers from the Yanks rather than testing the FA market. Actually quite refreshing in today's game.
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