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Post by rizzuto on Jan 11, 2024 23:39:53 GMT -5
I was definitely in the Machado as "punk" category. As for Cashman citing Andujar as a reason to not sign Bryce Harper, "then this I shall not forgive." Godfather quote for kaybli Did cashman actually say that ? If so then i dont know how there are still cashman defenders out there When asked by reporter about interest in going after Bryce Harper, Cashman replied by saying something to the effect of "Where is he going to play? We already have Judge, Hicks, Frazier, Andujar..." |
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Post by kaybli on Jan 11, 2024 23:56:05 GMT -5
Running a baseball team isn’t like running a factory where perfection is predictable. Lots of posters for instance wanted to keep Andujar. He looked like he had a great future. Lots of posters also thought (correctly) that Machado was a punk that woukd be a bad fit. Were mistakes made? Could someone else have pried a .600 winning record out of the team or won 5 World Series? Who knows? I think your point has been made. If you want to hear that you win, okay. You can win… I was definitely in the Machado as "punk" category. As for Cashman citing Andujar as a reason to not sign Bryce Harper, "then this I shall not forgive." Godfather quote for kaybli😂 Leave the Andujar, take the Harper. |
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Post by posadafan24 on Jan 12, 2024 0:02:17 GMT -5
Did cashman actually say that ? If so then i dont know how there are still cashman defenders out there When asked by reporter about interest in going after Bryce Harper, Cashman replied by saying something to the effect of "Where is he going to play? We already have Judge, Hicks, Frazier, Andujar..." Yeah that is just the dumbest thing any GM could possibly say , especially after he traded for gio because andujar was so bad defensively . How anyone can defend cashman in any way after that and the 2022 deadline is beyond me . |
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Post by qwik3457bb on Jan 12, 2024 2:51:48 GMT -5
For a long time, I defended Cashman, but the trades at the 2021 and 2022 deadlines were highly questionable. For me, the Montas trade was the final straw. Even if none of the pitchers traded to the A's makes it big, they traded for a pitcher whose health was an extreme risk, and they got less than nothing for 3 viable pitching prospects.
I now think that after 25 years in charge of the organization, the Yankees need another man's philosophy/vision in charge of the team.
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Post by posadafan24 on Jan 12, 2024 3:40:22 GMT -5
For a long time, I defended Cashman, but the trades at the 2021 and 2022 deadlines were highly questionable. For me, the Montas trade was the final straw. Even if none of the pitchers traded to the A's makes it big, they traded for a pitcher whose health was an extreme risk, and they got less than nothing for 3 viable pitching prospects. I now think that after 25 years in charge of the organization, the Yankees need another man's philosophy/vision in charge of the team. I would think trading a bonified starter in monty for a guy in a walking boot who was never known for his bat is worse than the montas trade |
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Post by qimqam on Jan 12, 2024 10:42:47 GMT -5
Running a baseball team isn’t like running a factory where perfection is predictable. Lots of posters for instance wanted to keep Andujar. He looked like he had a great future. Lots of posters also thought (correctly) that Machado was a punk that woukd be a bad fit. Were mistakes made? Could someone else have pried a .600 winning record out of the team or won 5 World Series? Who knows? I think your point has been made. If you want to hear that you win, okay. You can win… I was definitely in the Machado as "punk" category. As for Cashman citing Andujar as a reason to not sign Bryce Harper, "then this I shall not forgive." Godfather quote for kaybli Andjuar had nothing to do with not signing Harper ... That was all on Stanton! |
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Post by posadafan24 on Jan 12, 2024 14:11:24 GMT -5
I was definitely in the Machado as "punk" category. As for Cashman citing Andujar as a reason to not sign Bryce Harper, "then this I shall not forgive." Godfather quote for kaybli Andjuar had nothing to do with not signing Harper ... That was all on Stanton! Andujar was at the very least why they didnt trade for cole or sign machado . And was partly why they didnt get harper according to a quote from cashman that was posted earlier in this thread |
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Post by Max on Jan 12, 2024 17:07:34 GMT -5
Not sure what could have Cashman done differently for the Yankees not to be embarrassed by the same teams. There's the trash can series, and in other years the Astros, Rays, and Red Sox were the superior team. Sometimes the other teams deserve credit.
As for the summer 2022 trades...I didn't like the Montas trade either. But it remains to be seen if that trade will haunt the Yankees for years. Monty is now a free agent. Effross did pitch well for the Yankees before he went on the IL. Andrew Benintendi trade was a one sided trade for the Yankees, so was the Gallo for Beeter trade.
Sorry but, one of the worst GMs in MLB in those 5 years wouldn't have a team that was 376-272 won-loss record and a .580 winning %.
Oh how about trading for cole instead of letting him go to houston . Or getting machado instead of going with andujar . Or how about taking advantage of the inf free agent market instead of prospect hugging , or how about trading torres the first time around for castillo or trading volpe for castillo at the 22 deadline and not trading monty for a guy in a walking boot , instead of having the disaster of a deadline that will screw the yankees for years to come ? I could go on but i have things to do
The Yankees tried to trade for Cole, they didn't let him to to the Astros. The Astros had better prospects than the Yankees.Andujar won the rookie of the year, so I'm not going to fault Cashman if he thought that the money was better spent elsewhere.
The Yankees do take advantage of the free agent market. The last Yankee dynasty team was built by what you call prospect hugging. I'm happy that te Yankees kept a prospect named Aaron Judge. I see that the Braves roster is filled with prospects that they kept.
Also, the Yankees don't over do it when it comes to keeping their prospects. The most recent example is they traded their top pitching prospect in a trade for Soto. Why in the world would the Reds trade Castillo for Torres let alone Volpe? The Reds made a much better trade with Mariners.
Monty was basically a .500 pitcher for the Yankees and he's a free agent now. That trade was made for the playoffs and the Yankees desperately needed an OFer. That guy in the walking boot as you refer to him, plays a good CF and gives a 100% effort. I doubt that the Yankees get past the Guardians in the postseason without Bader. Bader in the next postseason round batted .400 against the Astros.
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Post by Max on Jan 12, 2024 17:13:15 GMT -5
Oh how about trading for cole instead of letting him go to houston . Or getting machado instead of going with andujar . Or how about taking advantage of the inf free agent market instead of prospect hugging , or how about trading torres the first time around for castillo or trading volpe for castillo at the 22 deadline and not trading monty for a guy in a walking boot , instead of having the disaster of a deadline that will screw the yankees for years to come ? I could go on but i have things to do Running a baseball team isn’t like running a factory where perfection is predictable. Lots of posters for instance wanted to keep Andujar. He looked like he had a great future. Lots of posters also thought (correctly) that Machado was a punk that woukd be a bad fit. Were mistakes made? Could someone else have pried a .600 winning record out of the team or won 5 World Series? Who knows? I think your point has been made. If you want to hear that you win, okay. You can win…
Yep, he's not perfect. But, I'd put Cashman's winning % and world series wins up against any GM. Cashman inherited a good team, but he did add players like El Duque and Justice that helped the Yankees become a dynasty. In my opinion, Gene Michael was a good GM and an excellent talent evaluator, but even he made mistakes. Trading Willie McGee for Bob Sykes comes to mind.
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Post by posadafan24 on Jan 12, 2024 17:30:01 GMT -5
Running a baseball team isn’t like running a factory where perfection is predictable. Lots of posters for instance wanted to keep Andujar. He looked like he had a great future. Lots of posters also thought (correctly) that Machado was a punk that woukd be a bad fit. Were mistakes made? Could someone else have pried a .600 winning record out of the team or won 5 World Series? Who knows? I think your point has been made. If you want to hear that you win, okay. You can win…
Yep, he's not perfect. But, I'd put Cashman's winning % and world series wins up against any GM. Cashman inherited a good team, but he did add players like El Duque and Justice that helped the Yankees become a dynasty. In my opinion, Gene Michael was a good GM and an excellent talent evaluator, but even he made mistakes. Trading Willie McGee for Bob Sykes comes to mind.
Winning %? Didnt we just find out last season that winning % means nothing? And as for ws wins , what ws title is cashman really responsible for? 09 was because stienbrenner wanted arod and because hal opened his wallet tp literally buy nearly every FA after the 08 season .and cashman inherited a championship caliber team in 98 that was put together by stick and his predecessor so how can you really give him credit for that ? If anything the last 20 years are indicative of how mediocre of a GM cashman is |
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Post by Max on Jan 12, 2024 17:34:02 GMT -5
Yep, he's not perfect. But, I'd put Cashman's winning % and world series wins up against any GM. Cashman inherited a good team, but he did add players like El Duque and Justice that helped the Yankees become a dynasty. In my opinion, Gene Michael was a good GM and an excellent talent evaluator, but even he made mistakes. Trading Willie McGee for Bob Sykes comes to mind.
Winning %? Didnt we just find out last season that winning % means nothing? And as for ws wins , what ws title is cashman really responsible for? 09 was because stienbrenner wanted arod and because hal opened his wallet tp literally buy nearly every FA after the 08 season .and cashman inherited a championship caliber team in 98 that was put together by stick and his predecessor so how can you really give him credit for that ? If anything the last 20 years are indicative of how mediocre of a GM cashman is The GM puts a team together, then it's up to the team to produce whether it be in the regular season or the post season. Cashman has put together good teams. If you don't want to give him the credit he deserves that's up to you. |
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Post by posadafan24 on Jan 12, 2024 17:43:41 GMT -5
Winning %? Didnt we just find out last season that winning % means nothing? And as for ws wins , what ws title is cashman really responsible for? 09 was because stienbrenner wanted arod and because hal opened his wallet tp literally buy nearly every FA after the 08 season .and cashman inherited a championship caliber team in 98 that was put together by stick and his predecessor so how can you really give him credit for that ? If anything the last 20 years are indicative of how mediocre of a GM cashman is The GM puts a team together, then it's up to the team to produce whether it be in the regular season or the post season. Cashman has put together good teams. If you don't want to give him the credit he deserves that's up to you. The teams from 04 to 08 , from 13 to 16 and from 20 to 23 were not that good . And any gm with half a brain can put together a playoff contender with the payroll the yankees have . If you want to see teams with good gms look at the dodgers , rays , rangers , houston , and the braves . They all have accomplished as much or alot more than cashman has in the last ten years . You can defend cashman all you want but the man has drastically underperformed as a gm with all the resources he has had in that time |
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Post by Max on Jan 12, 2024 17:50:22 GMT -5
The GM puts a team together, then it's up to the team to produce whether it be in the regular season or the post season. Cashman has put together good teams. If you don't want to give him the credit he deserves that's up to you. The teams from 04 to 08 , from 13 to 16 and from 20 to 23 were not that good . And any gm with half a brain can put together a playoff contender with the payroll the yankees have . If you want to see teams with good gms look at the dodgers , rays , rangers , houston , and the braves . They all have accomplished as much or alot more than cashman has in the last ten years . You can defend cashman all you want but the man has drastically underperformed as a gm with all the resources he has had in that time Cashman doesn't need me to defend him. His record speaks for itself. |
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Post by posadafan24 on Jan 12, 2024 17:53:00 GMT -5
The teams from 04 to 08 , from 13 to 16 and from 20 to 23 were not that good . And any gm with half a brain can put together a playoff contender with the payroll the yankees have . If you want to see teams with good gms look at the dodgers , rays , rangers , houston , and the braves . They all have accomplished as much or alot more than cashman has in the last ten years . You can defend cashman all you want but the man has drastically underperformed as a gm with all the resources he has had in that time Cashman doesn't need me to defend him. His record speaks for itself. And its not a good record at all for a team thats supposed to have world series aspirations every year and the kind of payrolls it has . |
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Post by Max on Jan 12, 2024 17:57:36 GMT -5
Cashman doesn't need me to defend him. His record speaks for itself. And its not a good record at all for a team thats supposed to have world series aspirations every year and the kind of payrolls it has .
He has a big payroll, because he's put together a good team.
By the way...I looked at the Dodgers and see a team that didn't win the world series since the 80's if the ridiculous covid season isn't include. How did the Dodgers do last year with their big payroll? The Rays haven't won anything. Tell me what happened when the Braves went up against the Cashman's Yankees in the world series. The Rangers? They won once, and how many bad seasons did they have before they won a world series? The same applies to the Astros.
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