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Post by azbob643 on May 9, 2024 13:12:06 GMT -5
I think this was all created by Gleyber dogging it, again. If Torres was running hard the entire time, he would have scored. It would be nice to see Boone finally bench one of these guys for playing lazy baseball. Watching the reply, I saw Torres running hard until he reached 3B, then let up rounding 3B. Looked like to me he would have been out had he tried to score. Just my 2 cents... If the lead runner is hustling or not, the trailing runner still has to look to see where the lead runner is.
I'm not say you, but a suspect had Torres ran hard rounding 3B and tried to score and got thrown out on a play where the ball didn't leave the infield he would have been criticized by some for that too.
No need for Torres to take that chance and try to score with a hot hitting Judge coming to bat.
There's absolutely no way Gleyber was to blame on that play...that is for anyone looking at the play objectively. |
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Post by Max on May 9, 2024 13:12:26 GMT -5
In my opinion, no need to curse out Altuve or Reggie Miller. There's women and children in the stands, besides it's only a game. I wonder if Altuve and Miller are thinking that it's so many years later and there still living rent free in some NY fans heads.
Didn't the Knicks still win that series against the Pacers? They won some and they lost some vs Miller's Pacers. |
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Post by chiyankee on May 9, 2024 13:16:19 GMT -5
I think this was all created by Gleyber dogging it, again. If Torres was running hard the entire time, he would have scored. It would be nice to see Boone finally bench one of these guys for playing lazy baseball. When was the last time you saw a baserunner score from 2B on a infield hit? It was a 3-2 count, so he was running before the pitch was thrown. It's not uncommon for runners to score from 2nd base on infield hits in this situation, but those runners are players that go all out. |
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Post by chiyankee on May 9, 2024 13:19:05 GMT -5
Watching the reply, I saw Torres running hard until he reached 3B, then let up rounding 3B. Looked like to me he would have been out had he tried to score. Just my 2 cents... If the lead runner is hustling or not, the trailing runner still has to look to see where the lead runner is.
I'm not say you, but a suspect had Torres ran hard rounding 3B and tried to score and got thrown out on a play where the ball didn't leave the infield he would have been criticized by some for that too.
No need for Torres to take that chance and try to score with a hot hitting Judge coming to bat.
There's absolutely no way Gleyber was to blame on that play...that is for anyone looking at the play objectively. Right, in this era, it's OK if players just jog around the bases. Why play hard, especially when your manger doesn't care. |
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Post by azbob643 on May 9, 2024 13:22:20 GMT -5
When was the last time you saw a baserunner score from 2B on a infield hit? It was a 3-2 count, so he was running before the pitch was thrown. It's not uncommon for runners to score from 2nd base on infield hits in this situation, but those runners are players that go all out. Funny...Gleyber was criticized in a recent game thread for "unnecessarily" hustling. I get it...find something...anything...to criticize. |
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Post by Max on May 9, 2024 13:23:23 GMT -5
Too bad. The Knicks have lost half their defense with the injuries to Robinson and Anunoby. They just don't have enough good players to cover. Shallow team even without both of them. Injuries killing them. Can you imagine this team with Randle? Championship contenders. Hopefully Anunoby will be able to come back next game. In my opinion, the Knicks would definitely be Championship contenders with Randle.
I don't know if the tempo of those playoff games vs the Pacers will eventually wear down the Knicks, but it says a lot about the Knicks that they won a game vs a tough Pacers team without Brunson in the 2nd Quarter and without OG in the 4 Quarter, and that's not even counting that they are without Randle, Robinson and Bogdanovic.
Bogdanovic getting hurt isn't mentioned much, but when he's in the game it's harder for a team to double team Brunson. He also take some pressure off of Brunson and DiVincenzo. |
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Post by azbob643 on May 9, 2024 13:23:28 GMT -5
There's absolutely no way Gleyber was to blame on that play...that is for anyone looking at the play objectively. Right, in this era, it's OK if players just jog around the bases. Why play hard, especially when your manger doesn't care. OK...two birds with one stone. Got it... |
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Post by Max on May 9, 2024 13:26:06 GMT -5
Watching the reply, I saw Torres running hard until he reached 3B, then let up rounding 3B. Looked like to me he would have been out had he tried to score. Just my 2 cents... If the lead runner is hustling or not, the trailing runner still has to look to see where the lead runner is.
I'm not say you, but a suspect had Torres ran hard rounding 3B and tried to score and got thrown out on a play where the ball didn't leave the infield he would have been criticized by some for that too.
No need for Torres to take that chance and try to score with a hot hitting Judge coming to bat.
There's absolutely no way Gleyber was to blame on that play...that is for anyone looking at the play objectively. I just watched the replay again. Paulie even mentioned that Volpe has to look to see where Torres is. |
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Post by azbob643 on May 9, 2024 13:28:49 GMT -5
There's absolutely no way Gleyber was to blame on that play...that is for anyone looking at the play objectively. I just watched the reply again. Paulie even mentioned that Volpe has to look to see where Torres is. Volpe was the trail runner...if anyone was guilty of a base running mistake it was him. That said...I don't "blame" Volpe. Stuff happens. |
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Post by inger on May 9, 2024 14:11:02 GMT -5
I just watched the reply again. Paulie even mentioned that Volpe has to look to see where Torres is. Volpe was the trail runner...if anyone was guilty of a base running mistake it was him. That said...I don't "blame" Volpe. Stuff happens. Gleyber shouldn’t have run past third, but Volpe was being ultra aggressive there. Both bear some responsibility, but Volpe was the one that ran to an occupied base. The good news is we had a nice lead and won the game… no harm no foul. We keep them both on the team. No need to shoot either one of them… |
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Post by themartian on May 9, 2024 14:17:47 GMT -5
Volpe was the trail runner...if anyone was guilty of a base running mistake it was him. That said...I don't "blame" Volpe. Stuff happens. Gleyber shouldn’t have run past third, but Volpe was being ultra aggressive there. Both bear some responsibility, but Volpe was the one that ran to an occupied base. The good news is we had a nice lead and won the game… no harm no foul. We keep them both on the team. No need to shoot either one of them… While I may be a tad bit biased  the 3rd base coach was giving Gleyber the go sign and he didn't follow it. I would have much rather seen him thrown out at home on a close play (or very possibly be safe and score) then getting caught in a run down. I absolve Volpe if he also saw the go sign. You do what the coaches tell you - especially if you're Gleyber, no way he should be taking any creative license as a base runner. |
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Post by inger on May 9, 2024 14:27:24 GMT -5
Gleyber shouldn’t have run past third, but Volpe was being ultra aggressive there. Both bear some responsibility, but Volpe was the one that ran to an occupied base. The good news is we had a nice lead and won the game… no harm no foul. We keep them both on the team. No need to shoot either one of them… While I may be a tad bit biased the 3rd base coach was giving Gleyber the go sign and he didn't follow it. I would have much rather seen him thrown out at home on a close play (or very possibly be safe and score) then getting caught in a run down. I absolve Volpe if he also saw the go sign. You do what the coaches tell you - especially if you're Gleyber, no way he should be taking any creative license as a base runner. One thing I didn’t catch was what the 3B coach was doing, so this was good information to know. I was’t looking when the play happened so I had to catch it on replay. For all I knew the coach had gone out to pick up a sandwich. Had I been looking originally and not seen the coach, I might have looked for him on replay. With this information I would call it a bad send… |
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Post by ill636 on May 9, 2024 14:30:49 GMT -5
Interesting that I swear I heard one of the YES announcer's say it was bad base running by Torres and the post game guys said the same thing. In watching the replay the third base coach gave him the go sign, and he stopped at about half way to home. I think he would have scored, since it was the pitcher who had the ball at first, not an infielder.
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Post by Max on May 9, 2024 14:39:57 GMT -5
I must be watching a different game and also watched a different replay 3 times, because I clearly hear Paulie say that Volpe has to see where Torres is. I also don't see the 3B coach giving a windmill sign for Torres to go home. It looked more like he told Torres to round 3B. Regardless, it's Baseball 101, the trail runner should watch what the lead runner does until the lead runner commits.
It's also Baseball 101 not to get thrown out trying to take 2 bases on a ball that didn't leave the infield when your hot hitting #3 hitter is due up. It also looks to me that had Torres tried to score, a good throw gets him called out at home plate. In my judgement they play wouldn't have even been close.
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Post by inger on May 9, 2024 14:49:18 GMT -5
I must be watching a different game and also watched a different reply 3 times, because I clearly hear Paulie say that Volpe has to see where Torres is. I also don't see the 3B coach giving a windmill sign for Torres to go home. It looked more like he told Torres to round 3B. Regardless, it's Baseball 101, the trail runner should watch what the lead runner does until the lead runner commits. It' also Baseball 101 not to get thrown out trying to take 2 bases on a ball that didn't leave the infield when your hot hitting #3 hitter is due up. It also looks to me that had Torres tried to score, a good throw gets him called out at home plate. In my judgement they play wouldn't have even been close. I would agree other than that I’m not sure it’s baseball 101. I might think it would be covered under maybe baseball 101.4… If the play was more important in the bigger picture I’d love to watch it in replay another 18-20 times studying every aspect ad nauseam, but under the circumstances I think I’ll pass on that. It’s sure been a great discussion maker though… |
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the 3rd base coach was giving Gleyber the go sign and he didn't follow it. I would have much rather seen him thrown out at home on a close play (or very possibly be safe and score) then getting caught in a run down. I absolve Volpe if he also saw the go sign. You do what the coaches tell you - especially if you're Gleyber, no way he should be taking any creative license as a base runner.