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Post by kaybli on Jul 7, 2018 0:35:50 GMT -5
I don't like Moustakas that much because of his aforementioned low OBP and free swinging ways but he does have 17 HRs. If Bird continues to struggle I wouldn't mind picking him for B level prospects if that's even doable.
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Post by sierchio on Jul 7, 2018 0:41:25 GMT -5
I think Bird is coming out of his slump. He seems to be hitting the ball better just into outs. Hopefully they find their way into hits soon. Look at tonight he got robbed of a hit
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Post by utahyank on Jul 7, 2018 10:57:46 GMT -5
I grew up thinking the Yankees always had very good to great !B, Gehrig when I was a boy, then Tommy Henrich who was no Gehrig, but pretty good....Joe Collins was not so much but the Yanks had Mize and Hopp late in their careers...then along came Skowron....then the awful CBS years which were a void everywhere....but then we got Mattingly and Tino....since Tino, it seems that spot has been a problem...........in some ways, it seems it would be one of the easier positions to fill but it hasn't worked that way the last 15 years or so........
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Post by numbers on Jul 7, 2018 12:00:54 GMT -5
I think Bird is coming out of his slump. He seems to be hitting the ball better just into outs. Hopefully they find their way into hits soon. Look at tonight he got robbed of a hit I agree. Bird will have a better second half than anyone you can trade for. If Torres for deG is not palatable,then a deal built around Andu and Frazier for Thor.’ Andu is a great bat to ball guy but he doesn’t walk and his defense is well below average. Drury’s D is much better so while his bat is not, his WAR value may end up being similar. |
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Post by uehara1 on Jul 7, 2018 15:20:28 GMT -5
I think Bird is coming out of his slump. He seems to be hitting the ball better just into outs. Hopefully they find their way into hits soon. Look at tonight he got robbed of a hit I agree. Bird will have a better second half than anyone you can trade for. If Torres for deG is not palatable,then a deal built around Andu and Frazier for Thor.’ Andu is a great bat to ball guy but he doesn’t walk and his defense is well below average. Drury’s D is much better so while his bat is not, his WAR value may end up being similar. A lot of this is wrong. Andujar's defense has been VERY good- he only made his 5th error of the season last night- and has regularly made some key plays. Drury has somehow achieved this near-mythical status of a great defender. Even though I am one of Drury's defenders and believe he should be in a super-sub role with the Yanks acknowledge that his defense is just average- at best. at most positions he plays, the level is closer to acceptable. A plus defender he is NOT. I really have no idea where this entire myth got started, but bad facts in lead to bad results out. |
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Post by chiyankee on Jul 7, 2018 15:39:00 GMT -5
If the Yanks are looking at Happ in a potential deal, he's not looking good so far.
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Post by numbers on Jul 7, 2018 17:06:00 GMT -5
I agree. Bird will have a better second half than anyone you can trade for. If Torres for deG is not palatable,then a deal built around Andu and Frazier for Thor.’ Andu is a great bat to ball guy but he doesn’t walk and his defense is well below average. Drury’s D is much better so while his bat is not, his WAR value may end up being similar. A lot of this is wrong. Andujar's defense has been VERY good- he only made his 5th error of the season last night- and has regularly made some key plays. Drury has somehow achieved this near-mythical status of a great defender. Even though I am one of Drury's defenders and believe he should be in a super-sub role with the Yanks acknowledge that his defense is just average- at best. at most positions he plays, the level is closer to acceptable. A plus defender he is NOT. I really have no idea where this entire myth got started, but bad facts in lead to bad results out. Fangraphs ranks him as the worst 3B in AL at -6.4 Solarte is next at -4.0 Devers,no Golden Glover is at -1.9 BR also ranks him as a very poor defender. Yanks know this. Sell high on Andu who is going to end up as a 1B |
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Post by utahyank on Jul 7, 2018 17:14:52 GMT -5
A lot of this is wrong. Andujar's defense has been VERY good- he only made his 5th error of the season last night- and has regularly made some key plays. Drury has somehow achieved this near-mythical status of a great defender. Even though I am one of Drury's defenders and believe he should be in a super-sub role with the Yanks acknowledge that his defense is just average- at best. at most positions he plays, the level is closer to acceptable. A plus defender he is NOT. I really have no idea where this entire myth got started, but bad facts in lead to bad results out. Fangraphs ranks him as the worst 3B in AL at -6.4 Solarte is next at -4.0 Devers,no Golden Glover is at -1.9 BR also ranks him as a very poor defender. Yanks know this. huh........I wonder what part of defense he is lacking? range?...throwing?...glove?....I have thought he is pretty good in what I've seen.....I wonder what they arer measuring? |
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Post by numbers on Jul 7, 2018 17:20:30 GMT -5
Fangraphs ranks him as the worst 3B in AL at -6.4 Solarte is next at -4.0 Devers,no Golden Glover is at -1.9 BR also ranks him as a very poor defender. Yanks know this. huh........I wonder what part of defense he is lacking? range?...throwing?...glove?....I have thought he is pretty good in what I've seen.....I wonder what they arer measuring? [ Nt |
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Post by numbers on Jul 7, 2018 17:21:49 GMT -5
huh........I wonder what part of defense he is lacking? range?...throwing?...glove?....I have thought he is pretty good in what I've seen.....I wonder what they arer measuring? Admittedly,that is probably the hardest metric in all of spirts to measure. Nevertheless,it’s one I like to look at when considering the value I place on a player as it gives me a sense of how the player is performing relative to everyone else/quote] |
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Post by inger on Jul 7, 2018 22:16:08 GMT -5
Just a thought about Drury. Much has been made of the possibility that his batting skills have been diminished by his vision problems. Well guess what? That would also have had a negative affect on his defense, as well.
It would be nice if he is well, and may behoove us (does that mean we’re getting hooves?) to wait and see what he becomes...
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Post by numbers on Jul 7, 2018 23:56:07 GMT -5
Just a thought about Drury. Much has been made of the possibility that his batting skills have been diminished by his vision problems. Well guess what? That would also have had a negative affect on his defense, as well. It would be nice if he is well, and may behoove us (does that mean we’re getting hooves?) to wait and see what he becomes... Yanks thought enough of him to stick him at third. I don’t think any of us has seen him enuff to have a strong opinion.’ My point is that if it takes including Andu in a package to get a stud pitcher,they should do it in a NY minute. I’m going to believe fangraphs/BR way before I believe a fan who’s watched him play 50 games on tv and according to them, he is not only well below average at third, he is the worst starting 3b defensively in the AL and it’s not even close |
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Post by kaybli on Jul 8, 2018 0:26:36 GMT -5
I have to agree with Numbers and "the numbers" on fangraphs. They tell me he is not a good defender. I wouldn't trade him unless we get an ace type pitcher though.
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Post by inger on Jul 8, 2018 2:04:15 GMT -5
Sometimes it's hard to judge what a different third baseman might have done on a ball that gets by the one you're watching...I like what I've seen of Andujar myself...but the numbers are telling us something. I just don't know how much the numbers really know...We used to see this with Cano at 2nd base, too... His defensive metrics told us he wasn't that good, but he made some darned good plays...
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Post by chiyankee on Jul 8, 2018 8:17:47 GMT -5
Sometimes it's hard to judge what a different third baseman might have done on a ball that gets by the one you're watching...I like what I've seen of Andujar myself...but the numbers are telling us something. I just don't know how much the numbers really know...We used to see this with Cano at 2nd base, too... His defensive metrics told us he wasn't that good, but he made some darned good plays... I thought some of these fielding stats were more estimates and predicitons than facts. When you watch Andujar play third, I don't see a great fielder but is he really a liability? |
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