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Post by kaybli on May 31, 2018 18:44:29 GMT -5
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Post by chiyankee on May 31, 2018 21:07:43 GMT -5
Chance Adams's stock sure has fallen. What do you guys think about Cole Hamels pitching in the AL East?
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Post by inger on May 31, 2018 22:03:59 GMT -5
I think Hamels has always been a touch over-rated, but that somehow his pitching style has stood the test of time. He's 34. While his WHIP is higher in Texas than it was in Philadelphia, that's to be expected with the DH vs. pitcher batting scenario. The one disturbing trend that has started to show up this season is that his effectiveness has been falling off once he gets over 75 pitches. That was something that he had in his corner up until this season, if he was on, he was on to stay for at least 6+ to 7+ innings. Is that his age starting to catch up to him? Or is it just a small sample issue. If the price is right for him, he only has to be a better option than what we have at #5 right now. Sonny Gray is not giving us a lot of hope right now. One or two good starts, then back in the tank again...But will Hamels replace Sonny Gray...or will he force Montgomery to stay in AAA? I would suspect that we might deal Sonny if we get Cole...and at the worst, we might regret that if Sonny gets right somewhere else...though we'll never know if that would have happened in NY...
Yes. I would say he's a decent choice. I would also hope (and strongly suspect) that we would be shopping other pitchers as well...
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Post by kaybli on May 31, 2018 23:01:07 GMT -5
Chance Adams's stock sure has fallen. What do you guys think about Cole Hamels pitching in the AL East? Though his ERA is pretty good, his FIP is pretty high at 5.25. I'd still do the trade if they accept what the rumors say the Yanks are offering because we need another starter. But I'd be a little worried. |
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Post by sierchio on Jun 1, 2018 0:33:20 GMT -5
I'm not a fan of Hammels as an upgrade.. especially since he has a no trade clause so we'll have to pick up his expensive option year as terms of the deal...
That said... If they'd take the proposed deal.. I make it 9 times out of 10..
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Post by michcusejoe5 on Jun 1, 2018 7:21:47 GMT -5
Chance Adams's stock sure has fallen. What do you guys think about Cole Hamels pitching in the AL East? Not overly sold on Cole Hamels but if hes the best we could do itd probably be an upgrade. |
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Post by michcusejoe5 on Jun 1, 2018 7:30:59 GMT -5
I'm not a fan of Hammels as an upgrade.. especially since he has a no trade clause so we'll have to pick up his expensive option year as terms of the deal... That said... If they'd take the proposed deal.. I make it 9 times out of 10.. Is that true about the option? I havent heard that before. I guess the point being that he wouldnt accept a trade without confirmation that the option will be picked up? Not that a trade automatically triggers it. |
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Post by kaybli on Jun 1, 2018 7:34:31 GMT -5
I'm not a fan of Hammels as an upgrade.. especially since he has a no trade clause so we'll have to pick up his expensive option year as terms of the deal... That said... If they'd take the proposed deal.. I make it 9 times out of 10.. Is that true about the option? I havent heard that before. I guess the point being that he wouldnt accept a trade without confirmation that the option will be picked up? Not that a trade automatically triggers it. He has a no trade list to 21 teams including the Yankees. Its speculation that he would only accept a trade if the option is picked up. I haven't actually heard that as a demand anywhere yet. |
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Post by inger on Jun 1, 2018 8:27:16 GMT -5
Most typically if the Yankees are on the no trade list, I'd say stay away. Since I wasn't aware of that piece until I read Kaybli's post...I've cooled even a bit more on acquiring a pitcher who's career has peaked. I'd look for a younger, more willing option...
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Post by kaybli on Jun 1, 2018 8:31:48 GMT -5
Most typically if the Yankees are on the no trade list, I'd say stay away. Since I wasn't aware of that piece until I read Kaybli's post...I've cooled even a bit more on acquiring a pitcher who's career has peaked. I'd look for a younger, more willing option... Players put the Yankees on the no trade list for more financial leverage not because they don't want to play for the Yankees. |
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Post by inger on Jun 1, 2018 8:55:18 GMT -5
Most typically if the Yankees are on the no trade list, I'd say stay away. Since I wasn't aware of that piece until I read Kaybli's post...I've cooled even a bit more on acquiring a pitcher who's career has peaked. I'd look for a younger, more willing option... Players put the Yankees on the no trade list for more financial leverage not because they don't want to play for the Yankees. I agree that some do that (maybe most), but I would want to know if that was the exact intention. If so, then I could accept it. But if they are not welcoming of the NY media culture, etc, then I would not want them aboard... |
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Post by sierchio on Jun 1, 2018 9:23:46 GMT -5
Players put the Yankees on the no trade list for more financial leverage not because they don't want to play for the Yankees. I agree that some do that (maybe most), but I would want to know if that was the exact intention. If so, then I could accept it. But if they are not welcoming of the NY media culture, etc, then I would not want them aboard... Before the series with the rangers he specifically said the Yankees are on his no trade list for leverage not because he doesn't want to play here.. that's why I bring up the option year in my original post |
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Post by sierchio on Jun 1, 2018 9:32:26 GMT -5
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Post by inger on Jun 1, 2018 23:46:17 GMT -5
That's cool. I'm still not excited about him. He's most likely near the end of his effective career...Not any kind of long term solution... |
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Post by sierchio on Jun 2, 2018 10:08:51 GMT -5
I totally agree. Especially having to take on the commitment for next season. But if the price was as low as advertised and he didn't have that option year next year being picked up as a condition of lifting NTC... I'd be down to see if we could catch lightening in a bottle. Then again.. it'd be good to have some CC insurance for rest of season and I suspect we won't sign CC next year. It be good to have another starter on books so we're not bent over the counter when we go looking for one. There wouldn't be as much desperation. In summary... Hamels is probably not a good pitcher anymore... But he is a warm body that throws with his left hand... So there's some value to that
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