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Post by rizzuto on Jun 15, 2018 10:46:47 GMT -5
Michael Fullmer adds more fuel to the fire as a trade candidate. Yesterday he went seven innings, one run, five hits, 4 K's and only 1 BB...Get him, Cash. I'd slot him in at #2 behind Severino...Tanaka is now a #4 or maybe 5 until he can show some consistency... Severino Fullmer Sabathia Tanaka Gray German * ouch * I hate taking him out of the rotation now...Maybe Gray and German switch places? Maybe it's time for Tanaka to be re-examined? Include Gray in the Fullmer Trade? Trade Gray for something else? UH-oh...probably include German in the Fullmer trade. Well, you have to give to get, right? Now, it gets more complicated... Looking at their game logs, Tanaka is actually a slightly more consistent pitcher. While Fullmer has a bit better ERA, Tanaka has a better WHIP. Tanaka has pitched at least five innings in every start, while Fullmer has failed to do so three times. Tanaka has given up six earned runs in one start, while Fullmer has done so twice. Tanaka has given up five earned runs in one start, Fullmer has done so twice. Fullmer has given up only one earned run or less in six starts, Tanaka has done so in five starts. Fullmer has gone past six innings five times, and Tanaka only twice. They are pretty even, but I think Tanaka has pitched a more difficult schedule thus far. Also, Tanaka was pitching a gem until the baserunning injury. He was only at 75 pitches through five. And, Tanaka was only at 72 pitches in the tie-game rain out against the Nationals. Both have given up 37 earned runs this season, albeit Fullmer has made one more start than Tanaka. Tanaka has the lead in dingers given up, though. |
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Post by utahyank on Jun 15, 2018 11:33:52 GMT -5
Rather have a German than a Fullmer... BTW, I did see the game results for Fullmer today and thought "maybe he's turning his year around" but didn't really look into past starts aside from yesterdays.. I really don't want to give up on German agree on keeping German....special arm, that guy..........Detroit could look out a year or even three, and take some of the Yankees lower level talent in a rebuild....Fullmer at his age and talent would be a good acquisition......... |
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Post by inger on Jun 15, 2018 12:35:16 GMT -5
Rather have a German than a Fullmer... BTW, I did see the game results for Fullmer today and thought "maybe he's turning his year around" but didn't really look into past starts aside from yesterdays.. I really don't want to give up on German Go read my post on Fullmer from yesterday...Maybe I posted that just before you went all bonkers and started slamming your head into stuff... |
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Post by inger on Jun 15, 2018 12:41:08 GMT -5
Michael Fullmer adds more fuel to the fire as a trade candidate. Yesterday he went seven innings, one run, five hits, 4 K's and only 1 BB...Get him, Cash. I'd slot him in at #2 behind Severino...Tanaka is now a #4 or maybe 5 until he can show some consistency... Severino Fullmer Sabathia Tanaka Gray German * ouch * I hate taking him out of the rotation now...Maybe Gray and German switch places? Maybe it's time for Tanaka to be re-examined? Include Gray in the Fullmer Trade? Trade Gray for something else? UH-oh...probably include German in the Fullmer trade. Well, you have to give to get, right? Now, it gets more complicated... Looking at their game logs, Tanaka is actually a slightly more consistent pitcher. While Fullmer has a bit better ERA, Tanaka has a better WHIP. Tanaka has pitched at least five innings in every start, while Fullmer has failed to do so three times. Tanaka has given up six earned runs in one start, while Fullmer has done so twice. Tanaka has given up five earned runs in one start, Fullmer has done so twice. Fullmer has given up only one earned run or less in six starts, Tanaka has done so in five starts. Fullmer has gone past six innings five times, and Tanaka only twice. They are pretty even, but I think Tanaka has pitched a more difficult schedule thus far. Also, Tanaka was pitching a gem until the baserunning injury. He was only at 75 pitches through five. And, Tanaka was only at 72 pitches in the tie-game rain out against the Nationals. Both have given up 37 earned runs this season, albeit Fullmer has made one more start than Tanaka. Tanaka has the lead in dingers given up, though. Some nice points, there Rizzuto...I guess I'm being a bit rough on Tanaka-san...Me solly...So, we keep T-Knockers in the #2 slot, slide Fullmer into #3 behind CC>... Good thing is that it's still a bit early for the trade to actually happen. Let German and Loiasiga <sp?> go at it a few more times...maybe we don't need anyone at all... I still think that the team should either be "all in" on trading for a top-notch ace on the level of Syndergaard or DeGrom...or not bother...But, like Cashman...I'm trying to look for bargains, too...I can't resist the clearance rack...thought there is seldom anything on it I need...which is why it's on the clearance rack to begin with... |
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Post by kaybli on Jun 15, 2018 18:03:05 GMT -5
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Post by desousa on Jun 15, 2018 18:14:05 GMT -5
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Post by kaybli on Jun 15, 2018 21:05:50 GMT -5
No mention of Andujar.  |
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Post by utahyank on Jun 16, 2018 13:11:17 GMT -5
without the two Yankee rookies, the Red Sox would already be a lock for the AL East.....what a great pair.....
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Post by inger on Jun 16, 2018 13:15:17 GMT -5
without the two Yankee rookies, the Red Sox would already be a lock for the AL East.....what a great pair..... I used to feel that way about Marilyn Monroe, too... (: |
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Post by uehara1 on Jun 20, 2018 13:47:02 GMT -5
Rather have a German than a Fullmer... BTW, I did see the game results for Fullmer today and thought "maybe he's turning his year around" but didn't really look into past starts aside from yesterdays.. I really don't want to give up on German agree on keeping German....special arm, that guy..........Detroit could look out a year or even three, and take some of the Yankees lower level talent in a rebuild....Fullmer at his age and talent would be a good acquisition......... At this point, I would rather have German than Fulmer. Fulmer's arm problems are a BIG red flag. In his past 3 starts, German has shown the toughness to work out of jams and them go deep into the game. Being a ML SP is a learning thing- the stuff is NOT in question with German. He has shown real progress is limiting damage. Now, if he can eliminate the 1st inning hiccups, he could be a real contender for a mid-rotation slot. Loaisiga has been eye-opening, but I want to see a couple more starts- and Tanaka is probably back by All Star Break. I think the Yanks might be better off just staying put at the trade deadline, and let German keep Montgomery's spot the rest of the year. Then, in the off-season, let CC go and use one of the young SP (Loaisiga, Adams, Sheffield) hold his spot until Montgomery returns, then sort it out. |
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Post by kaybli on Jun 20, 2018 14:52:08 GMT -5
You can never have enough starting pitching with injuries and all so I would still like to see a trade to acquire Happ, Ross, or Hamels as long as it doesn't cost too much. If they require Andujar or Frazier, then forget it.
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Post by michcusejoe5 on Jun 20, 2018 16:01:50 GMT -5
You can never have enough starting pitching with injuries and all so I would still like to see a trade to acquire Happ, Ross, or Hamels as long as it doesn't cost too much. If they require Andujar or Frazier, then forget it. Im in for Happ. Will get to why at the end. Hamels peripherals scare me (regressing FIP, increasing HR rate, decreasing GB rate, spike in hard contact) and Im worried his name recognition will drive up cost (even though hes not that good anymore) plus the point some of you guys said a couple of weeks ago about him potentially requiring option to be picked up in order to waive NTC cannot be overlooked. Tyson Ross has been having a nice bounce back year to be sure, but two things concern me there. The first is the obvious one, going from NL to AL...and even on top of that going from pitching in San Diego to Yankee Stadium. The other concern is that he has barely pitched over the last two years which makes me question how he is going to hold up down the stretch (fatigue or further injury?) and into postseason. Even though you didnt mention them, Im eliminating deGrom bc of cost and the unlikelihood of the Mets dealing with the Yankees anyways. Bumgarner will also be super expensive but the NL is just so horrendous that even at 36-38 the Giants may be in it (all itll take is one winning streak) so cant even bank on them being sellers. He is hardly the sexy name and hes definitely more of a middle rotation type but I really think JA Happ is the guy. He has pitched in the AL East for the past three seasons and has a 3.36 ERA (130 ERA+) over 71 starts. His FIP has been improving year over year in those 3 seasons, as well. During his career, so including when he was not a very good pitcher (albeit much of that came in the NL so not overly impactful on this sample) he has a 3.94 ERA at Yankee Stadium (but with the trade he would not be facing the Yankees line up there) and perhaps more importantly, a 3.16 ERA at Fenway Park. Maybe Cashman has a trick or two up his sleeve. |
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Post by uehara1 on Jun 20, 2018 16:15:26 GMT -5
I still think that the primary target at the deadline should be a lefty who can neutralize lefty bats, but is not strictly a LOOGY.
I think the price on a guy like Brad Hand will be too high, and the O's will NOT deal Britton to the Yanks. The guy I would target would be Will Smith in SF. He is playoff experienced (Brewers in 2016) and has a long track record of success (though he had TJ and spent 2017 recovering. He is dominating again in 2018. Smith probably would have a high, but not huge price tag in SF- as he is only under team control this year and 2019- and then hits FA. Would be a significant upgrade on Shreve.
My guess- one good and two decent prospects would get it done. Maybe an offer like Adams, Estrada and a lower level SP could get it done?
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Post by inger on Jun 20, 2018 17:27:58 GMT -5
I still think that the primary target at the deadline should be a lefty who can neutralize lefty bats, but is not strictly a LOOGY. I think the price on a guy like Brad Hand will be too high, and the O's will NOT deal Britton to the Yanks. The guy I would target would be Will Smith in SF. He is playoff experienced (Brewers in 2016) and has a long track record of success (though he had TJ and spent 2017 recovering. He is dominating again in 2018. Smith probably would have a high, but not huge price tag in SF- as he is only under team control this year and 2019- and then hits FA. Would be a significant upgrade on Shreve. My guess- one good and two decent prospects would get it done. Maybe an offer like Adams, Estrada and a lower level SP could get it done? Will Smith could be the Prince of...Never mind... |
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Post by kaybli on Jun 20, 2018 18:23:33 GMT -5
You can never have enough starting pitching with injuries and all so I would still like to see a trade to acquire Happ, Ross, or Hamels as long as it doesn't cost too much. If they require Andujar or Frazier, then forget it. Im in for Happ. Will get to why at the end. Hamels peripherals scare me (regressing FIP, increasing HR rate, decreasing GB rate, spike in hard contact) and Im worried his name recognition will drive up cost (even though hes not that good anymore) plus the point some of you guys said a couple of weeks ago about him potentially requiring option to be picked up in order to waive NTC cannot be overlooked. Tyson Ross has been having a nice bounce back year to be sure, but two things concern me there. The first is the obvious one, going from NL to AL...and even on top of that going from pitching in San Diego to Yankee Stadium. The other concern is that he has barely pitched over the last two years which makes me question how he is going to hold up down the stretch (fatigue or further injury?) and into postseason. Even though you didnt mention them, Im eliminating deGrom bc of cost and the unlikelihood of the Mets dealing with the Yankees anyways. Bumgarner will also be super expensive but the NL is just so horrendous that even at 36-38 the Giants may be in it (all itll take is one winning streak) so cant even bank on them being sellers. He is hardly the sexy name and hes definitely more of a middle rotation type but I really think JA Happ is the guy. He has pitched in the AL East for the past three seasons and has a 3.36 ERA (130 ERA+) over 71 starts. His FIP has been improving year over year in those 3 seasons, as well. During his career, so including when he was not a very good pitcher (albeit much of that came in the NL so not overly impactful on this sample) he has a 3.94 ERA at Yankee Stadium (but with the trade he would not be facing the Yankees line up there) and perhaps more importantly, a 3.16 ERA at Fenway Park. Maybe Cashman has a trick or two up his sleeve. I agree with your points. I would also go Happ over the other two. Any other names you would be interested in? |
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