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Post by inger on Jul 18, 2018 14:44:16 GMT -5
I would hesitate to give up both of Sheffield and Florial, but other than that I’m in. Put Torres in there too if they add Syndergaard and Wheeler. Nobody’s going to need to drive in many runs with that pitching staff...
I like all of the guys we’d have to give up, but not as much as i’d Like ehat’s Coming back. I don’t want to have to outscore to win. I want to shut teams down...
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Post by sierchio on Jul 18, 2018 16:10:01 GMT -5
I'd definately do Andujar, German, Sheffield/Loasigia, Frazier/Florial for deGrom but NO!! they are NOT getting Torres. That'd be like trading Jeter as a 21 year old with 6 years of team control for 2.5 years of Pedro or Clemens... FUCK THAT!!!
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Post by inger on Jul 18, 2018 17:36:58 GMT -5
I love bringing up trading Torres on here because people absolutely flake out. I’m still not convinced he hasn’t played way over his head so far. I’ve seen too many mirages in my time to run to every puddle in the desert looking for a drink...
And actually I wouldn’t trade him for Sydergaard and Wheeler. I’d have to have Syndergaard and Matz...
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Post by hawaiiyankee on Jul 18, 2018 18:38:05 GMT -5
Do you think the Mets would do that trade? Would they be crazy not to? That's some top notch prospects. Hard to say because I would do that trade in a heartbeat so that means they would have good reason not to.
Yeah, I wouldn't trade Torres either. He could be a flash in the pan but one front line starter is enough for me. I would like to see how Torres develops from here.
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Post by kaybli on Jul 18, 2018 18:42:55 GMT -5
Mets will never trade deGrom to the Yankees unless we grossly overpay. Mets ownership is too scared of what the back pages of the NY papers will say.
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Post by hawaiiyankee on Jul 18, 2018 19:29:44 GMT -5
Mets will never trade deGrom to the Yankees unless we grossly overpay. Mets ownership is too scared of what the back pages of the NY papers will say. I guess giving up Andujar, Sheffield, and Florial is not over paying if I'm willing to do it but probably to other Yankee fans, that would be overpaying. |
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Post by kaybli on Jul 18, 2018 19:34:18 GMT -5
Mets will never trade deGrom to the Yankees unless we grossly overpay. Mets ownership is too scared of what the back pages of the NY papers will say. I guess giving up Andujar, Sheffield, and Florial is not over paying if I'm willing to do it but probably to other Yankee fans, that would be overpaying. I don't think that Andujar, Sheff, and Florial would get it done for the Mets. They'd insist on more. |
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Post by sierchio on Jul 18, 2018 19:38:57 GMT -5
Mets will never trade deGrom to the Yankees unless we grossly overpay. Mets ownership is too scared of what the back pages of the NY papers will say. It's still fun to see what each of us would trade for him.. shows what we value in a team. There ain't shit else to talk about... and I really don't feel like writing any more on the subject of Hader. It seems like a touchy subject and I'm not in that mood right now LOL. I got a bunch of books from the library today to keep me busy during the next couple off days. Gonna get off computer and go read them. Anybody ever read The Book of Enoch? Or Thomas Jeffersons version of the Bible? Yeah... I picked some out there books lol |
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Post by uehara1 on Jul 18, 2018 20:38:45 GMT -5
Instead of discussing trying to make trades with the only franchise more disfunctional than the O's, how about thinking of an even better possibility that MIGHT emerge in the next two weeks, depending how his team does- Carlos Martinez.
The Cards evidently are considering a true tear-down if the team falters before the deadline. Martinez is their best SP, is only 26 (turns 27 in September), but is signed to a team-friendly contract through 2021- with team options for 2022 and 2023. He is also a legit front end SP.
The only prospect not on the current Yankee roster that I would NOT trade for Martinez is Sheffield. His price may equal what the Mets would probably demand for their aces- but the Yanks would at least have a legit chance with the Cardinals to make a deal. The Cards need an influx of young SP, because a number of their vet SP become FA this winter. They also need some impact power bats. Fortunately, the Yanks match up well with those needs.
What might be a fair offer? I'm not sure. The Cards have a lot of trust with their fan base, so they might not need to get a "we won the trade and won it big" type of offer. However, they would need to get fair value in return. What is the going rate on a cost-controlled front of the rotation SP? I'm not sure.
I think the offer would have to include Frazier and at least one of the upper level SP prospects from Adams, Tate, Loisiga and Acevedo plus some high upside arms like one of Medina, Abreu or Sauer. I think the Cards could make a legitimate demand for 4 of those guys. Would Frazier, Loaisiga, Adams and Abreu get it done? Would they have to add Florial to the mix? Personally, as long as the Yanks kept Sheffield, I would include any combination of the above guys for Martinez.
A potential Sevy, Martinez, Sheffield, Tanaka and Gray rotation is about as good as anyone else's- and if the Yanks managed to trade Gray, they could look at Stopgaps guys until Montgomery returns as the #5 SP- or even just go with one of the young arms they don't trade for Martinez. That rotation plus their high end bullpen would be a real monster combined with the offense.
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Post by sierchio on Jul 18, 2018 20:52:04 GMT -5
I've read the chances of the Cards trading Martinez are equal to the chances of the Giants trading MadBum
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Post by sierchio on Jul 18, 2018 20:56:39 GMT -5
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Post by kaybli on Jul 19, 2018 1:29:48 GMT -5
FROM RAB:
9:21pm ET: The trade has been announced by both teams, so it is officially official. Machado goes to the Dodgers for outfielder Yusniel Diaz, third baseman Rylan Bannon, righties Dean Kremer and Zack Pop, and utility man Breyvic Valera. The Yankees equivalent is probably something like Estevan Florial, Brandon Wagner, Garrett Whitlock, Phil Diehl, and Ronald Torreyes. Not perfect, but ballpark.
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Post by kaybli on Jul 19, 2018 1:55:53 GMT -5
I would have given up that package for Machado. Of course I don't think the Orioles would take that from the Yankees. They would insist on Sheffield or Frazier. Teams always want more from the Yankees.
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Post by sierchio on Jul 19, 2018 2:37:47 GMT -5
I would have given up that package for Machado. Of course I don't think the Orioles would take that from the Yankees. They would insist on Sheffield or Frazier. Teams always want more from the Yankees. Especially in the same division.. Even if they'd be getting long term and us a rental |
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Post by uehara1 on Jul 19, 2018 4:41:26 GMT -5
So we see the STL view- I found it interesting that the writer thought the Yanks would part more easily with Sheffield than they would with Florial. I think it would actually be the opposite. Another interesting point in the article was the recognition that Gray is struggling. The writer went on to note that the Cardinals have some good SP coming up- and a couple vets left for one more season (Mioklas and Wacha). The writer also seemed to be giving the Cardinal viewpoint that they don't want to give up on 2019. I wonder whether the Cardinals might be interested in having Gray be part of any Martinez deal- ,he's not a true replacement for Martinez, but it might allow the Cards to avoid mailing in 2019. I wonder whether Gray, Florial and a couple guys just outside the top 10 would get it done (like say, Adams and Abreu)? Looking ahead, the Cardinals also have some OF issues- like the Yanks, not only do they have too many now, but too many on their way. One interesting name the Yanks might want to add to possible discussions for Martinez- Oscar Mercado. He is at AAA and is likely blocked in STL. However, he has improved rapidly over 5 years to the point where he is a high OBP guy with serious SB skills and a little bit of power. If Gardner walks in FA, the Yanks MIGHT be looking for a solid leadoff hitter who steals enough bases to actually scares other teams into throwing strikes for Judge in the 2 spot. That MIGHT be Mercado, who offensively has appears to have the young Gardner skillset- lots of steals, a little pop and gets on base. The Yanks have enough pitching to trade to add another arm or two to the deal to add in a prospect like that to a Martinez deal. |
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