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Post by rizzuto on Jun 10, 2019 13:29:35 GMT -5
Probably too much for an division opponent. Florial has to be a no go. I would consider Frazier, Estrada, and lower level prospects. I’m not overly sold on Stroman. He’s another smallish pitcher, and he’s not a finesse guy. On the positive side, he’s an incredible athlete.
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Post by kaybli on Jun 10, 2019 16:08:29 GMT -5
Probably too much for an division opponent. Florial has to be a no go. I would consider Frazier, Estrada, and lower level prospects. I’m not overly sold on Stroman. He’s another smallish pitcher, and he’s not a finesse guy. On the positive side, he’s an incredible athlete. This may be an unpopular position, but I'd trade Florial before I traded Frazier. Florial hasn't even made it past A+ ball yet. He's all potential. He also has pitch recognition issues. Frazier has proven he belongs as a major league hitter. Yes, he has had his problems in the field but I think those can be overcome. His scouting report mentions that he can be an average to good fielder and he has the requisite speed. He just has the fielding yips right now. He can get over that. |
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Post by inger on Jun 10, 2019 16:11:56 GMT -5
Probably too much for an division opponent. Florial has to be a no go. I would consider Frazier, Estrada, and lower level prospects. I’m not overly sold on Stroman. He’s another smallish pitcher, and he’s not a finesse guy. On the positive side, he’s an incredible athlete. This may be an unpopular position, but I'd trade Florial before I traded Frazier. Florial hasn't even made it past A+ ball yet. He's all potential. He also has pitch recognition issues. Frazier has proven he belongs as a major league hitter. Yes, he has had his problems in the field but I think those can be overcome. His scouting report mentions that he can be an average to good fielder and he has the requisite speed. He just has the fielding yips right now. He can get over that. But in an ideal world where does Frazier play if we get Judge, Stanton and Andujar back?... Florial can bloom into a future CF. Hicks will become too slow within a couple seasons... Such goes the embarrassment of riches... |
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Post by kaybli on Jun 10, 2019 16:16:45 GMT -5
This may be an unpopular position, but I'd trade Florial before I traded Frazier. Florial hasn't even made it past A+ ball yet. He's all potential. He also has pitch recognition issues. Frazier has proven he belongs as a major league hitter. Yes, he has had his problems in the field but I think those can be overcome. His scouting report mentions that he can be an average to good fielder and he has the requisite speed. He just has the fielding yips right now. He can get over that. But in an ideal world where does Frazier play if we get Judge, Stanton and Andujar back?... Florial can bloom into a future CF. Hicks will become too slow within a couple seasons... Such goes the embarrassment of riches... Outfield of Hicks, Stanton, Judge, and Frazier with one rotating the DH mostly Stanton and Frazier. I think Hicks can handle CF for long enough. |
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Post by noetsi on Jun 10, 2019 17:00:04 GMT -5
If you use him at the DH Urshela does not play much which is probably a mistake.
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Post by bluemarlin on Jun 10, 2019 17:04:09 GMT -5
But in an ideal world where does Frazier play if we get Judge, Stanton and Andujar back?... Florial can bloom into a future CF. Hicks will become too slow within a couple seasons... Such goes the embarrassment of riches... Outfield of Hicks, Stanton, Judge, and Frazier with one rotating the DH mostly Stanton and Frazier. I think Hicks can handle CF for long enough. Frazier will probably never be a good outfielder. He's terrible when balls are hit well in front of him, as he's shown poor judgment repeatedly. But his bat is legit. The Yanks will need a CF within two years. Florial could be that guy. And, analytics schmanalytics, the Yanks need better LH/RH balance at the plate. Here's what I'd like to see: get MadBum for a package of Frazier/Abreu/somebody. Judge or Stanton replaces Frazier. Make a deal for Shin Soo Choo to DH in place of Morales. I'd guess something like Estrada+somebody for Choo+money. Plan for either DiDi or Torres to move to 3B in 2020. Leave DJ at 2B. After he recovers, convert Andujar to the OF. |
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Post by kaybli on Jun 10, 2019 17:08:36 GMT -5
Make a deal for Shin Soo Choo That's all I needed to hear. Best idea ever!
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Post by greatfatness on Jun 10, 2019 17:41:59 GMT -5
This may be an unpopular position, but I'd trade Florial before I traded Frazier. Florial hasn't even made it past A+ ball yet. He's all potential. He also has pitch recognition issues. Frazier has proven he belongs as a major league hitter. Yes, he has had his problems in the field but I think those can be overcome. His scouting report mentions that he can be an average to good fielder and he has the requisite speed. He just has the fielding yips right now. He can get over that. But in an ideal world where does Frazier play if we get Judge, Stanton and Andujar back?... Florial can bloom into a future CF. Hicks will become too slow within a couple seasons... Such goes the embarrassment of riches... I actually agree with you, as down as I am on Frazier as a fielder. There just aren’t that many legit middle of the lineup bats that come along. There are far more low A toolsy players who never become legit major leaguers. I think Frazier as a 4-5th OF/DH type is an asset. Next year when Andujar comes back he’s likely headed for a corner OF future and maybe then they decide they have to move one of them but I wouldn’t move Frazier unless another team is valuing him pretty strongly. For all of those reasons though I think other teams also would rather have Frazier than Florial. They’d rather have Estrada as well. |
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Post by noetsi on Jun 10, 2019 18:01:43 GMT -5
I think Andjujar gets traded for a pitcher given how deep we are at positons other than pitcher
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Post by chiyankee on Jun 10, 2019 18:22:21 GMT -5
I think Andjujar gets traded for a pitcher given how deep we are at positons other than pitcher I could see Andujar getting dealt next season, after he's proven to be healthy enough to play, but right now, you would be selling real low on him. |
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Post by noetsi on Jun 10, 2019 18:22:59 GMT -5
I think Andjujar gets traded for a pitcher given how deep we are at positons other than pitcher I could see Andujar getting dealt next season, after he's proven to be healthy enough to play, but right now, you would be selling real low on him. I agree. |
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Post by chiyankee on Jun 10, 2019 18:32:17 GMT -5
Probably too much for an division opponent. Florial has to be a no go. I would consider Frazier, Estrada, and lower level prospects. I’m not overly sold on Stroman. He’s another smallish pitcher, and he’s not a finesse guy. On the positive side, he’s an incredible athlete. This may be an unpopular position, but I'd trade Florial before I traded Frazier. Florial hasn't even made it past A+ ball yet. He's all potential. He also has pitch recognition issues. Frazier has proven he belongs as a major league hitter. Yes, he has had his problems in the field but I think those can be overcome. His scouting report mentions that he can be an average to good fielder and he has the requisite speed. He just has the fielding yips right now. He can get over that. I think Frazier belongs in LF. When he played there, two years ago, I don't recall all these defensive issues that we're seeing with him in right. Then again, maybe it's the concussions that are causing some of his defensive issues, but he just didn't seem this bad in 2017. |
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Post by kaybli on Jun 10, 2019 18:35:43 GMT -5
This may be an unpopular position, but I'd trade Florial before I traded Frazier. Florial hasn't even made it past A+ ball yet. He's all potential. He also has pitch recognition issues. Frazier has proven he belongs as a major league hitter. Yes, he has had his problems in the field but I think those can be overcome. His scouting report mentions that he can be an average to good fielder and he has the requisite speed. He just has the fielding yips right now. He can get over that. I think Frazier belongs in LF. When he played there, two years ago, I don't recall all these defensive issues that we're seeing with him in right. Then again, maybe it's the concussions that are causing some of his defensive issues, but he just didn't seem this bad in 2017. I was thinking about this the other day too. Maybe he's just used to the way the ball carries to LF. |
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Post by rizzuto on Jun 10, 2019 19:28:48 GMT -5
I really liked what I have seen of Florial. In many ways, he reminds me of a young Bernie Williams (with a better arm and better instincts on the base paths). Remember, Florial is only 21 years old. I can see this kid jumping through AA to AAA next year. Without the injury, he may have done so this season. Florial will be a special player, sans injuries.
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Post by inger on Jun 10, 2019 19:36:55 GMT -5
The thoughts of Frazier or Andujar covering LF after the past few years with Gardner out there is a frightening prospect to me. I really never cared for Frazier's work in LF either to be honest, I do agree he may be a bit smoother there than in right field, but that’s faint praise.
We can’t be greedy and keep everyone, playing them out of position could be costly. In an ideal world, maybe Andujar would take to the OF like a duck to water, but it’s a reach at this point.
We have the DH in the AL. There’s room for one of those guys... except that we don’t know how much DH time we’ll need for Stanton.
I want us to catch and throw the ball as well as any team in the game...
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