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Post by pippsheadache on Jun 12, 2019 17:40:24 GMT -5
In spite of what my lying eyes are telling me -- and I suspect most of yours as well -- every Yankee starting pitcher is at or above the league average when it comes to adjusted ERA+. In fact the worst is a guy I would have pegged as one of the best, JA Happ, who with his 4.48 ERA is right at the AL average and therefore earns a 100. Even Jonathan Loaisiga in his three starts is at 101. The rest in ascending order are James Paxton (111), CC Sabathia (113), Domingo German (116) and Masahiro Tanaka (125).
Looking at the whole staff, the only Yankee pitchers who have pitched at least nine innings and are below league average in adjusted ERA+ are Jonathan Holder (92), Luis Cessa (88) and Chad Green (55). And Green is of course mainly the result of a horrific start; he has mostly gotten back on course since then.
Runs are cheap this year. The ball has clearly had a jackrabbit inserted. As wobbly as the Yankee staff has looked so far -- at least to me, and especially lately -- when you stack it up against everybody else, it isn't that bad. In fact the Yanks are fourth in ERA in the AL. It doesn't make sense to me, but those are the numbers. Maybe ERA+ isn't as important of a stat as I am making it out to be?
Yankee starters are averaging just over five innings per start. To me that is pathetic, but it's pretty much in line with what most teams are doing. A sad commentary on the direction of the game, in my fossilized opinion.
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Post by kaybli on Jun 12, 2019 17:52:15 GMT -5
In spite of what my lying eyes are telling me -- and I suspect most of yours as well -- every Yankee starting pitcher is at or above the league average when it comes to adjusted ERA+. In fact the worst is a guy I would have pegged as one of the best, JA Happ, who with his 4.48 ERA is right at the AL average and therefore earns a 100. Even Jonathan Loaisiga in his three starts is at 101. The rest in ascending order are James Paxton (111), CC Sabathia (113), Domingo German (116) and Masahiro Tanaka (125). Looking at the whole staff, the only Yankee pitchers who have pitched at least nine innings and are below league average in adjusted ERA+ are Jonathan Holder (92), Luis Cessa (88) and Chad Green (55). And Green is of course mainly the result of a horrific start; he has mostly gotten back on course since then. Runs are cheap this year. The ball has clearly had a jackrabbit inserted. As wobbly as the Yankee staff has looked so far -- at least to me, and especially lately -- when you stack it up against everybody else, it isn't that bad. In fact the Yanks are fourth in ERA in the AL. It doesn't make sense to me, but those are the numbers. Maybe ERA+ isn't as important of a stat as I am making it out to be? Yankee starters are averaging just over five innings per start. To me that is pathetic, but it's pretty much in line with what most teams are doing. A sad commentary on the direction of the game, in my fossilized opinion. Good analysis pipps. The Yankees pitching though recently has been terrible. Over the last sevens days they are at a 6.05 ERA, last in the AL. For June, they are at 5.79, second last in the AL. |
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Post by chiyankee on Jun 12, 2019 18:28:38 GMT -5
It is only recently that the Yankee rotation has been struggling. Hopefully this is just a little slump that they're in. That 5 inning per start average isn't going to go up as long as the Yankees keep using Chad Green as an opener.
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Post by pippsheadache on Jun 12, 2019 18:39:54 GMT -5
In spite of what my lying eyes are telling me -- and I suspect most of yours as well -- every Yankee starting pitcher is at or above the league average when it comes to adjusted ERA+. In fact the worst is a guy I would have pegged as one of the best, JA Happ, who with his 4.48 ERA is right at the AL average and therefore earns a 100. Even Jonathan Loaisiga in his three starts is at 101. The rest in ascending order are James Paxton (111), CC Sabathia (113), Domingo German (116) and Masahiro Tanaka (125). Looking at the whole staff, the only Yankee pitchers who have pitched at least nine innings and are below league average in adjusted ERA+ are Jonathan Holder (92), Luis Cessa (88) and Chad Green (55). And Green is of course mainly the result of a horrific start; he has mostly gotten back on course since then. Runs are cheap this year. The ball has clearly had a jackrabbit inserted. As wobbly as the Yankee staff has looked so far -- at least to me, and especially lately -- when you stack it up against everybody else, it isn't that bad. In fact the Yanks are fourth in ERA in the AL. It doesn't make sense to me, but those are the numbers. Maybe ERA+ isn't as important of a stat as I am making it out to be? Yankee starters are averaging just over five innings per start. To me that is pathetic, but it's pretty much in line with what most teams are doing. A sad commentary on the direction of the game, in my fossilized opinion. Good analysis pipps. The Yankees pitching though recently has been terrible. Over the last sevens days they are at a 6.05 ERA, last in the AL. For June, they are at 5.79, second last in the AL. I hear you Kaybli. I was surprised myself that the overall numbers were as good as they are given the recent failures. |
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Post by bluemarlin on Jun 12, 2019 19:10:23 GMT -5
Bum’s body is 29. His arm is probably 34-35. Must have been embarrassing for his mom when the arm dangled out of her for 5-6 years before he decided to finish being born...Picking stuff up in the grocery store, etc... Really looked odd when she wore shorts... MadBum's WHIP of 1.16 is better than last year and close to his career average. I think WHIP is a better indication of a pitcher's effectiveness than his ERA. (Some might say that about FIP....well, his FIP is better than in any of the past few years, too) His K:BB ratio is excellent. His velocity is up. While you could argue he's not as good as he used to be, he used to be among the top 10 starters in the game. He's still solid (at least). And one might guess that moving to a winning environment (which is clearly not the case in SfO these days), could only help. I'd rather have Matt Boyd, because he's younger. But if MadBum could be had for a reasonable cost in prospects (assuming the price for Boyd would NOT be reasonable), the Yanks would be fools to pass. Estrada+Abreu+someone else expendable.....sign me up!! |
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Post by kaybli on Jun 12, 2019 19:25:11 GMT -5
Really looked odd when she wore shorts... MadBum's WHIP of 1.16 is better than last year and close to his career average. I think WHIP is a better indication of a pitcher's effectiveness than his ERA. (Some might say that about FIP....well, his FIP is better than in any of the past few years, too) His K:BB ratio is excellent. His velocity is up. While you could argue he's not as good as he used to be, he used to be among the top 10 starters in the game. He's still solid (at least). And one might guess that moving to a winning environment (which is clearly not the case in SfO these days), could only help. I'd rather have Matt Boyd, because he's younger. But if MadBum could be had for a reasonable cost in prospects (assuming the price for Boyd would NOT be reasonable), the Yanks would be fools to pass. Estrada+Abreu+someone else expendable.....sign me up!! You're dreamin, bluemarlin. If it would take Estrade+Abreu+someone else, of course I'd do to that in a second! |
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Post by chiyankee on Jun 12, 2019 19:42:00 GMT -5
MadBum's WHIP of 1.16 is better than last year and close to his career average. I think WHIP is a better indication of a pitcher's effectiveness than his ERA. (Some might say that about FIP....well, his FIP is better than in any of the past few years, too) His K:BB ratio is excellent. His velocity is up. While you could argue he's not as good as he used to be, he used to be among the top 10 starters in the game. He's still solid (at least). And one might guess that moving to a winning environment (which is clearly not the case in SfO these days), could only help. I'd rather have Matt Boyd, because he's younger. But if MadBum could be had for a reasonable cost in prospects (assuming the price for Boyd would NOT be reasonable), the Yanks would be fools to pass. Estrada+Abreu+someone else expendable.....sign me up!! You're dreamin, bluemarlin. If it would take Estrade+Abreu+someone else, of course I'd do to that in a second! The Giants would probably ask for something like Frazier and Devi Garcia for Bumgarner. |
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Post by inger on Jun 12, 2019 19:44:51 GMT -5
MadBum's WHIP of 1.16 is better than last year and close to his career average. I think WHIP is a better indication of a pitcher's effectiveness than his ERA. (Some might say that about FIP....well, his FIP is better than in any of the past few years, too) His K:BB ratio is excellent. His velocity is up. While you could argue he's not as good as he used to be, he used to be among the top 10 starters in the game. He's still solid (at least). And one might guess that moving to a winning environment (which is clearly not the case in SfO these days), could only help. I'd rather have Matt Boyd, because he's younger. But if MadBum could be had for a reasonable cost in prospects (assuming the price for Boyd would NOT be reasonable), the Yanks would be fools to pass. Estrada+Abreu+someone else expendable.....sign me up!! You're dreamin, bluemarlin. If it would take Estrade+Abreu+someone else, of course I'd do to that in a second! Well, if the “someone else” was Gleyber Torres that deal would work... 🤪... Seriously, I would imagine that it might be more of a Florial+ 2 type of deal with either Abreu or Estrada and then a Lower level guy or an excess baggage, as ready as he can get type like Mike Ford... |
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Post by inger on Jun 12, 2019 19:45:39 GMT -5
You're dreamin, bluemarlin. If it would take Estrade+Abreu+someone else, of course I'd do to that in a second! The Giants would probably ask for something like Frazier and Devi Garcia for Bumgarner. This one might work, too... |
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Post by greatfatness on Jun 15, 2019 21:27:36 GMT -5
No thanks.
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Post by kaybli on Jun 15, 2019 21:38:52 GMT -5
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Post by inger on Jun 15, 2019 21:45:18 GMT -5
We could get Ed Whitson back... |
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Post by inger on Jun 15, 2019 23:08:13 GMT -5
I wonder if the Indians would have an interest in Brad Miller? He’s hitting near .300 with 10 HR in our AAA. With Kipnis and Tamirez both struggling they may take a flier. He’s not going to get us a frontline starter, maybe some bullpen help?...
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Post by kaybli on Jun 16, 2019 0:17:41 GMT -5
I wonder if the Indians would have an interest in Brad Miller? He’s hitting near .300 with 10 HR in our AAA. With Kipnis and Tamirez both struggling they may take a flier. He’s not going to get us a frontline starter, maybe some bullpen help?... We already traded Miller for cash to the Phillies:
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Post by inger on Jun 16, 2019 7:48:32 GMT -5
I wonder if the Indians would have an interest in Brad Miller? He’s hitting near .300 with 10 HR in our AAA. With Kipnis and Tamirez both struggling they may take a flier. He’s not going to get us a frontline starter, maybe some bullpen help?... We already traded Miller for cash to the Phillies:
I thought we sent him somewhere, but it doesn’t show up yet on his transaction page on B-R. Come on, B-R. Don’t make me e-mail your asses again. Do I have to do everything over there?... Thanks, kaybli... |
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