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Post by utahyank on Jun 23, 2018 22:50:26 GMT -5
I love the idea of having Severino and de Grom going 1-2 into the playoffs and World Series...........if I were Cashman and the Mets offered de Grom for those 5 you listed, I would think hard about it.........
Old Man Sabathia matches most other #3's...Severino matches most #1's.....we don't have a good match at the #2 starter, in my view......this is probably a huge stretch, but there is a chance for the rapid progression of German to that level....unlikely, sure...but expecting solid playoff starts from Gray or Tanaka as # 2's would most likely be disappointing......German will get a few more starts before the deadline to see if he possibly could make that leap....I expect Cashman will delay as long as possible....
There are probably other examples, but the 1948 Indians had a rookie Gene Bearden who continued to grow so rapidly that he was only behind Feller in the rotation, and they went on to win the WS.....so it "could happen"..........
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Post by utahyank on Jun 23, 2018 22:53:38 GMT -5
I don't know what the contract status of de Grom is.....if it's not just a season rental, I would think the Yanks traded fairly by giving up Frazier, Sheffield, Loaisiga and Wade.......Andujar is a no-trade lister for me.... He’s under control through 2020. So 3 WS rings for us haha....if I knew it would bring 3 titles, and I were Cashman, I would do the trade............ |
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Post by kaybli on Jun 23, 2018 23:51:50 GMT -5
Smoltz says “go get DeGrom. I agree Who do we give up? I say Andujar/Frazier/Sheffield/Loaisiga/Wade That's too much to give up for a pitcher who can have an arm injury any day. And I don't think the Mets would ever trade him to the hated Yankees. |
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Post by kaybli on Jun 23, 2018 23:53:43 GMT -5
I love the idea of having Severino and de Grom going 1-2 into the playoffs and World Series...........if I were Cashman and the Mets offered de Grom for those 5 you listed, I would think hard about it......... Old Man Sabathia matches most other #3's...Severino matches most #1's.....we don't have a good match at the #2 starter, in my view......this is probably a huge stretch, but there is a chance for the rapid progression of German to that level....unlikely, sure...but expecting solid playoff starts from Gray or Tanaka as # 2's would most likely be disappointing......German will get a few more starts before the deadline to see if he possibly could make that leap....I expect Cashman will delay as long as possible.... There are probably other examples, but the 1948 Indians had a rookie Gene Bearden who continued to grow so rapidly that he was only behind Feller in the rotation, and they went on to win the WS.....so it "could happen".......... Tanaka was outstanding in the playoffs last year. |
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Post by chiyankee on Jun 24, 2018 8:48:19 GMT -5
Smoltz says “go get DeGrom. I agree Who do we give up? I say Andujar/Frazier/Sheffield/Loaisiga/Wade That's too much to give up for a pitcher who can have an arm injury any day. And I don't think the Mets would ever trade him to the hated Yankees. And it's certain that this is the type of price that the Yankees would have to pay for the Mets to trade DeGrom to the hated Yankees. The Yanks offer would have to be substantially higher than anyone else's. |
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Post by numbers on Jun 24, 2018 11:15:49 GMT -5
The Mets won’t do it because they are, after all, the Mets.
The combined WAR of those 5 players will dwarf deGrom’s over the next 3 years.
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Post by numbers on Jun 24, 2018 11:17:36 GMT -5
Of course, we may have deGrom lite on the team.
German’s peripherals are eye popping!
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Post by uehara1 on Jun 24, 2018 11:21:34 GMT -5
Of course, we may have deGrom lite on the team. German’s peripherals are eye popping! That's a better way of saying what I posted elsewhere. I think that if the Yanks allow him to remain in the rotation for the rest of the season, German COULD be a mid-rotation guy- AND potential playoff SP- by October. That is why I have been advocating for no trades. Sheffield is ALMOST ready- maybe another month in AAA. The reports this morning in the NY Post indicate that Tanaka COULD be looking at a return next week. In all due seriousness, I think that by October, we all might be thinking of a post-season rotation of Sevy, German, Tanaka and Grey- in that order. |
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Post by numbers on Jun 24, 2018 11:30:21 GMT -5
Of course, we may have deGrom lite on the team. German’s peripherals are eye popping! That's a better way of saying what I posted elsewhere. I think that if the Yanks allow him to remain in the rotation for the rest of the season, German COULD be a mid-rotation guy- AND potential playoff SP- by October. That is why I have been advocating for no trades. Sheffield is ALMOST ready- maybe another month in AAA. The reports this morning in the NY Post indicate that Tanaka COULD be looking at a return next week. In all due seriousness, I think that by October, we all might be thinking of a post-season rotation of Sevy, German, Tanaka and Grey- in that order. Agreed. Lots of people may be overlooking German. Not sure why. Maybe because he doesn’t look the part. If he blows Cash away during his next 2/3 starts, the team may roll the dice. I still think Cash is getting another pitcher. Sonny has another year plus. Maybe the Jays take him as part of the package for Happ with the hope that they can “fix” Gray and flip him next year |
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Post by uehara1 on Jun 24, 2018 12:06:30 GMT -5
That's a better way of saying what I posted elsewhere. I think that if the Yanks allow him to remain in the rotation for the rest of the season, German COULD be a mid-rotation guy- AND potential playoff SP- by October. That is why I have been advocating for no trades. Sheffield is ALMOST ready- maybe another month in AAA. The reports this morning in the NY Post indicate that Tanaka COULD be looking at a return next week. In all due seriousness, I think that by October, we all might be thinking of a post-season rotation of Sevy, German, Tanaka and Grey- in that order. Agreed. Lots of people may be overlooking German. Not sure why. Maybe because he doesn’t look the part. If he blows Cash away during his next 2/3 starts, the team may roll the dice. I still think Cash is getting another pitcher. Sonny has another year plus. Maybe the Jays take him as part of the package for Happ with the hope that they can “fix” Gray and flip him next year I would not be against trading Gray, but a SP would have to be coming back in the deal. I actually think that a 3-way deal might be the fix there. The Jays might not want Gray because that would add the burden of trying to move him when they have a lot of other pieces to move already. However, a third team without those concerns might be willing to buy in on Gray- especially a team that has ideas about contending in 2019 and has SP openings. It could also be a team that simply needs a SP and believes it is a contender now. Maybe someone like the Cardinals or surprisingly, the Nats. Keep in mind that Gray is only making $6.5M this season- and with about half the games already played, is only due something like $3.3M for the rest of the season. Many teams can manage that added payroll at this point. The Nats have been running Jeremy Hellickson and the like out there in the 5th spot. The nats area already over the luxury tax- and with Harper as a FA, can't afford to fall short of the playoffs- which is a real danger right now. The Cards have been hit by injuries galore in their rotation- yet are only 2 games back in the Central. A cheap SP option might be attractive to them in a 3-way deal where they don't give up a SP. Theoretically, the Cubs might be interested as well- as the back half of their rotation is a shambles and they are in a real fight for a playoff spot. They might not want to give up a SP, but they might chip in prospects to get one in a 3-way deal. |
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Post by utahyank on Jun 24, 2018 12:11:42 GMT -5
maybe I saw it here or elsewhere, but Gray probably would do better in the NL where he could pitch around some to get to the pitcher....he has been a disappointment for the Yanks....
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Post by chiyankee on Jun 24, 2018 13:40:51 GMT -5
Of course, we may have deGrom lite on the team. German’s peripherals are eye popping! That's a better way of saying what I posted elsewhere. I think that if the Yanks allow him to remain in the rotation for the rest of the season, German COULD be a mid-rotation guy- AND potential playoff SP- by October. That is why I have been advocating for no trades. Sheffield is ALMOST ready- maybe another month in AAA. The reports this morning in the NY Post indicate that Tanaka COULD be looking at a return next week. In all due seriousness, I think that by October, we all might be thinking of a post-season rotation of Sevy, German, Tanaka and Grey- in that order.Unless CC gets hurt, I don't see him getting passed up for a post season start for German or Grey. |
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Post by maizeyanks on Jun 24, 2018 20:48:48 GMT -5
I think we'd be okay moving forward as is, but I do think an arm or two will be coming via trade. If this was next year, we may have to only look internally. Definitely anxious to see what Cashman has in store for a move or two. He's always got something up his sleeve.
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Post by numbers on Jun 24, 2018 21:51:04 GMT -5
German didn’t read our post U
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Post by sierchio on Jun 25, 2018 5:07:14 GMT -5
Smoltz says “go get DeGrom. I agree Who do we give up? I say Andujar/Frazier/Sheffield/Loaisiga/Wade That's too much to give up for a pitcher who can have an arm injury any day. And I don't think the Mets would ever trade him to the hated Yankees. Kaybli... Would you do that package if it was Andujar or Frazier instead of and??? Personally I would do the original deal just because it increases our odds so much this season and then next season we have a replacement for CC and can use Gray as a trade piece if need be... |
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