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Post by utahyank on Jul 29, 2019 23:24:51 GMT -5
Sometimes you're better off sticking with the hand that you get dealt. Last year the Pirates feeling the urge to become playoff contenders put what they thought was their best foot forward. That foot is now amputated. They acquired a beat up starter and traded 3 top quality players to Tampa Bay. Austin Meadows is probably their best offensive weapon, and if Glasnow didn't get hurt we'd probably be looking up at Tampa Bay right now. Not only that, Tampa also gacquired the 12th overall pick in the 2017 draft, another quality pitcher. Thanks for helping our rivals, Pirates. [img src="//storage.proboards.com/6828121/images/cYJDdrfMoRBryreIqHCt.gif" class="smile" alt="  " style="max-width:100%;"] the Pirates hurt us in two ways...besides making the Rays better, now the rest of the GM's want to get that kind of return for their pitchers from the Yankees....when I go to buy something and the price is too high, I find another way, or live with what I have....Frazier and Andujar are going to be hitting stars for a long time...either should be enough to get a pitcher, and if not, the heck with them...we have a competitive club in a playoff.... |
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Post by desousa on Jul 30, 2019 7:46:55 GMT -5
Peter Gammons just tweeted he keeps hearing Frazier to Arizona.
"Keep hearing Clint Frazier to Arizona for Ray or Bradley, or multi players_not Garcia-for both."
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Post by chiyankee on Jul 30, 2019 8:15:03 GMT -5
Peter Gammons just tweeted he keeps hearing Frazier to Arizona. "Keep hearing Clint Frazier to Arizona for Ray or Bradley, or multi players_not Garcia-for both." Ugh, they should just beat the Mets offer for Stroman, at least we know he can pitch in the AL East. |
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Post by inger on Jul 30, 2019 10:18:14 GMT -5
Bradley has one of those square Keuchel beards. Oh Brother, Where Art Thou?...
Like wearing shrubbery on your face...
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Post by desousa on Jul 30, 2019 10:28:41 GMT -5
If my memory is correct, most of Cashman's recent trades came of nowhere. Hope this one is not true. I agree with chi, Stroman made more sense, unless Jay's wouldn't move off of Garcia.
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Post by inger on Jul 30, 2019 11:07:41 GMT -5
Ray is in his third consecutive year of fanning 12/9 innings. He’s the power arm we were hoping to see from the Big Maple. He’s a great return for Frazier...
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Post by greatfatness on Jul 30, 2019 11:23:46 GMT -5
Ray is in his third consecutive year of fanning 12/9 innings. He’s the power arm we were hoping to see from the Big Maple. He’s a great return for Frazier... I think we got what we expected from Paxton, until he hurt his knee. We saw this before with Sabathia, a power pitcher with bad knees is not the same. Hopefully this can be cleaned up in the offseason because right now with him trying to pitch through it, it isn't working. I think Ray is a good, not great addition. I don't think he's as good of a pitcher as Paxton is. He improves the rotation given how poorly everyone is pitching and with Paxton pitching injured and CC out but he isn't an ace or close to it in my opinion. Frazier even up maybe. More than that and we are overpaying because of the market out of desperation. |
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Post by inger on Jul 30, 2019 12:02:09 GMT -5
Ray is in his third consecutive year of fanning 12/9 innings. He’s the power arm we were hoping to see from the Big Maple. He’s a great return for Frazier... I think we got what we expected from Paxton, until he hurt his knee. We saw this before with Sabathia, a power pitcher with bad knees is not the same. Hopefully this can be cleaned up in the offseason because right now with him trying to pitch through it, it isn't working. I think Ray is a good, not great addition. I don't think he's as good of a pitcher as Paxton is. He improves the rotation given how poorly everyone is pitching and with Paxton pitching injured and CC out but he isn't an ace or close to it in my opinion. Frazier even up maybe. More than that and we are overpaying because of the market out of desperation. I agree. I don’t see him as an ace, either. The price is right. He doesn’t have the big-time fast ball that his K rate suggests. His 4SFB is around 93. He can bump it up to 95, but loses some command when he does. He uses the pitch nearly 50% of the time and hides the ball so well that it plays up. It has a bit of back spin which is part of why he serves up quite a few fly balls and some leave the park. in regard to his fastball, he reminds of David Robertson. The next 25% of his pitches come from his slider, which is a great wipeout swing and miss pitch. The curve is straight down 12-6 and breaks sharply. More swing and miss stuff. The least used pitch is a sinker that he uses close to 10% of the time and is more of a strike out pitch than a ground ball getter. Overall, that’s great stuff. He walks a few too many, but tends to make up for that by being hard to hit. There’s #2 potential in there, with further potential to unleash a couple very strong seasons. Most likely, the Yankees would want him to reduce fastball usage and make a few tweaks that may or may not be good for him... Any way... For Frazier, that’s a trade I’d have to make... |
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Post by greatfatness on Jul 30, 2019 12:11:28 GMT -5
I think we got what we expected from Paxton, until he hurt his knee. We saw this before with Sabathia, a power pitcher with bad knees is not the same. Hopefully this can be cleaned up in the offseason because right now with him trying to pitch through it, it isn't working. I think Ray is a good, not great addition. I don't think he's as good of a pitcher as Paxton is. He improves the rotation given how poorly everyone is pitching and with Paxton pitching injured and CC out but he isn't an ace or close to it in my opinion. Frazier even up maybe. More than that and we are overpaying because of the market out of desperation. I agree. I don’t see him as an ace, either. The price is right. He doesn’t have the big-time fast ball that his K rate suggests. His 4SFB is around 93. He can bump it up to 95, but loses some command when he does. He uses the pitch nearly 50% of the time and hides the ball so well that it plays up. It has a bit of back spin which is part of why he serves up quite a few fly balls and some leave the park. in regard to his fastball, he reminds of David Robertson. The next 25% of his pitches come from his slider, which is a great wipeout swing and miss pitch. The curve is straight down 12-6 and breaks sharply. More swing and miss stuff. The least used pitch is a sinker that he uses close to 10% of the time and is more of a strike out pitch than a ground ball getter. Overall, that’s great stuff. He walks a few too many, but tends to make up for that by being hard to hit. There’s #2 potential in there, with further potential to unleash a couple very strong seasons. Most likely, the Yankees would want him to reduce fastball usage and make a few tweaks that may or may not be good for him... Any way... For Frazier, that’s a trade I’d have to make... I agree. |
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Post by bearman on Jul 30, 2019 12:31:33 GMT -5
It is interesting how few pitchers that would even qualify as number 2 starters are available. Kluber maybe but i doubt Cashman will give the Indians what they would demand. My hope(hope is probably not a good strategy) is that Severino comes back and can be a reasonable facsimile of a number 1. Betances should help and maybe German will be consistently good. Maybe Tanaka will be good again. I just don't have much faith in the ability of the rest of the staff to shut down the teams we will face in the playoffs.
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Post by utahyank on Jul 30, 2019 13:18:21 GMT -5
If the proposed trade of Frazier for Ray happened, it would seem to be a no-brainer for the Yankees...they need another starter in a big way, and Frazier is not needed or contributing to the ML club....the trade 1:1 seems fair to both teams...and the DBacks may well win the trade....
It would still take some things going right for the Yankees to progress through a playoff to win the WS, even with the addition of Robbie Ray....things like Severino and Betances coming back and pitching at or near their levels...a cessation of the injury bug so that we would have a healthy roster for the playoffs...an even distribution of "lucky" hits to both the Yankees and the opposition.....not getting hosed by terrible ball/strike calls at critical times....if most or all of that happened, the Yankees should be a very competitive team..
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Post by pippsheadache on Jul 30, 2019 14:56:29 GMT -5
The Cubs just got our old pal David Phelps from the Blue Jays for a no-name minor leaguer. The fire sale continues in Toronto. But I don't see much of anything left among pitchers that could help the Yankees. Ken Giles would normally be a consideration, but he's been battling elbow problems for over a month and would be a serious risk.
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Post by greatfatness on Jul 30, 2019 14:58:11 GMT -5
The Cubs just got our old pal David Phelps from the Blue Jays for a no-name minor leaguer. The fire sale continues in Toronto. But I don't see much of anything left among pitchers that could help the Yankees. Ken Giles would normally be a consideration, but he's been battling elbow problems for over a month and would be a serious risk. I don’t understand what the Blue Jays are doing. |
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Post by NewYawka on Jul 30, 2019 14:59:29 GMT -5
With the way the market is right now, it will probably be Frazier + lower level prospects (perhaps with some high upside). I doubt it will be a pure one-for-one.
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Post by utahyank on Jul 30, 2019 15:03:17 GMT -5
The Cubs just got our old pal David Phelps from the Blue Jays for a no-name minor leaguer. The fire sale continues in Toronto. But I don't see much of anything left among pitchers that could help the Yankees. Ken Giles would normally be a consideration, but he's been battling elbow problems for over a month and would be a serious risk. Phelps could have helped the Yankees it seems, at least they seemed to be using him in late-inning situations so I guess he was pitching well....I suppose instead of a no-name, they would have asked for 3 of the top Yankee prospects......smh….  |
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