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Post by inger on Jul 31, 2019 17:38:40 GMT -5
I don't know the details of the penalties for FA signings as it may apply to the negative impact on the signing club....I know many of you do......My question: Other teams seem to want to rape us in trades....why have the Yankees not been more aggressive over the last few years in out-bidding other clubs for elite starters?...there must be penalties involved that keep the Yankees from doing that...thanks for any insight into what seems to me to be a viable strategy... Primarily due to the luxury tax concerns, I’d say. In addition to that, we may be over-valuing our prospects, as well. We’re fans, and we read a lot and talk about these guys, but not everyone agrees that say, Florial is going to be as good as what the Yankee propaganda says. Not everyone agrees that Garcia will hold up due to his size. Ditto Loasiga... It’s an interesting situation. If the Yanks talent evaluators turn out to be right, in a few seasons we’ll be celebrating this lack of activity. Trades are always rife with risk. So is holding on to players. The trade game can’t be won, only played with a measure of caution. I’m not going to worry because Cashman didn’t add to our already burgeoning toy chest... |
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Post by kaybli on Jul 31, 2019 18:37:16 GMT -5
I had no problem with the Yankees standing pat until the Greinke trade. Now I wish we did something. I didn't like a lot of pitchers we were rumored to be after but I did like Greinke. There was no mention of him at all with us. I read somewhere that we didn't want to take on his remaining salary. Just wish we would just go for it like the Astros. I would've given up Florial, Schmidt, Loasiga, and Abreu for Greinke. Other than Schmidt, not real high on them. Edit: Forgot about Frazier. Would've traded him too even though I really like him. Wouldn't trade Deivi Garcia despite recent struggles. Not sure about Andujar. I don't think Greinke wanted to come to New York due to his social anxiety issues. He had the Yankees on his no trade list (Though I know those can be worked around.) Also I don't think the Yankees thought it was an appropriate place for him because of those issues. You'd be spending a lot of money and prospects for someone who would be a question mark in the big city lights and media. |
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Post by hawaiiyankee on Jul 31, 2019 18:45:12 GMT -5
I had no problem with the Yankees standing pat until the Greinke trade. Now I wish we did something. I didn't like a lot of pitchers we were rumored to be after but I did like Greinke. There was no mention of him at all with us. I read somewhere that we didn't want to take on his remaining salary. Just wish we would just go for it like the Astros. I would've given up Florial, Schmidt, Loasiga, and Abreu for Greinke. Other than Schmidt, not real high on them. Edit: Forgot about Frazier. Would've traded him too even though I really like him. Wouldn't trade Deivi Garcia despite recent struggles. Not sure about Andujar. I don't think Greinke wanted to come to New York due to his social anxiety issues. He had the Yankees on his no trade list (Though I know those can be worked around.) Also I don't think the Yankees thought it was an appropriate place for him because of those issues. You'd be spending a lot of money for someone who would be a question mark in the big city lights and media. Good to know. I thought Houston was on his list as well so I thought the list wasn't a problem. That social anxiety issues is another thing. Just wish we made a major move at the deadline for starting pitching. Someone better than JA Happ although he was pretty good for us after the trade. |
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Post by rizzuto on Jul 31, 2019 18:50:06 GMT -5
Also, I wouldn’t say Deivi Garcia is struggling at all. He is getting used to the AAA/MLB baseball, which is different than at all other levels.
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Post by kaybli on Jul 31, 2019 18:52:43 GMT -5
I don't think Greinke wanted to come to New York due to his social anxiety issues. He had the Yankees on his no trade list (Though I know those can be worked around.) Also I don't think the Yankees thought it was an appropriate place for him because of those issues. You'd be spending a lot of money for someone who would be a question mark in the big city lights and media. Good to know. I thought Houston was on his list as well so I thought the list wasn't a problem. That social anxiety issues is another thing. Just wish we made a major move at the deadline for starting pitching. Someone better than JA Happ although he was pretty good for us after the trade. Houston was not on Greinke's no trade list according to the Athletic's Zach Buchanan. I didn't really want Greinke because of the cost and the anxiety issues, but I certainly didn't want him to go to our rival Astros either.
I also wish we made a move for a pitcher or in retrospect, signed Keuchel. Though from what I heard other GMs were trying to make us overpay. I'm going to hear some more chatter about what trades we might have rejected before I judge Cashman for not making a move.
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Post by rizzuto on Jul 31, 2019 18:55:32 GMT -5
Good to know. I thought Houston was on his list as well so I thought the list wasn't a problem. That social anxiety issues is another thing. Just wish we made a major move at the deadline for starting pitching. Someone better than JA Happ although he was pretty good for us after the trade. Houston was not on Greinke's no trade list according to the Athletic's Zach Buchanan. I didn't really want Greinke because of the cost and the anxiety issues, but I certainly didn't want him to go to our rival Astros either.
I also wish we made a move for a pitcher or in retrospect, signed Keuchel. Though from what I heard other GMs were trying to make us overpay. I'm going to hear some more chatter about what trades we might have rejected before I judge Cashman for not making a move.
I have and shall continue to rag on Cashman about saving 1.7 million on Keuchel. He may not be an ace, but he has pitched into or past the sixth inning in every start except his initial one this season, which was still five innings. We need innings to save our pen and Sabathia is again on the IL. |
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Post by kaybli on Jul 31, 2019 18:57:19 GMT -5
Houston was not on Greinke's no trade list according to the Athletic's Zach Buchanan. I didn't really want Greinke because of the cost and the anxiety issues, but I certainly didn't want him to go to our rival Astros either.
I also wish we made a move for a pitcher or in retrospect, signed Keuchel. Though from what I heard other GMs were trying to make us overpay. I'm going to hear some more chatter about what trades we might have rejected before I judge Cashman for not making a move.
I have and shall continue to rag on Cashman about saving 1.7 million on Keuchel. He may not be an ace, but he has pitched into or past the sixth inning in every start except his initial one this season, which was still five innings. We need innings to save our pen. I have to say it looks like a bad move to not go the extra for Keuchel, luxury tax second tier or not. |
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Post by rizzuto on Jul 31, 2019 19:00:38 GMT -5
I have and shall continue to rag on Cashman about saving 1.7 million on Keuchel. He may not be an ace, but he has pitched into or past the sixth inning in every start except his initial one this season, which was still five innings. We need innings to save our pen. I have to say it looks like a bad move to not go the extra for Keuchel, luxury tax second tier or not. ...speaking of which, has anyone found anything different than the information in that luxury tax tracker on line? |
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Post by greatfatness on Jul 31, 2019 19:22:07 GMT -5
I had no problem with the Yankees standing pat until the Greinke trade. Now I wish we did something. I didn't like a lot of pitchers we were rumored to be after but I did like Greinke. There was no mention of him at all with us. I read somewhere that we didn't want to take on his remaining salary. Just wish we would just go for it like the Astros. I would've given up Florial, Schmidt, Loasiga, and Abreu for Greinke. Other than Schmidt, not real high on them. Edit: Forgot about Frazier. Would've traded him too even though I really like him. Wouldn't trade Deivi Garcia despite recent struggles. Not sure about Andujar. I don't think Greinke wanted to come to New York due to his social anxiety issues. He had the Yankees on his no trade list (Though I know those can be worked around.) Also I don't think the Yankees thought it was an appropriate place for him because of those issues. You'd be spending a lot of money and prospects for someone who would be a question mark in the big city lights and media. $35m/year for a guy with anxiety issues who already said he didn't want to play here? And we need to empty the farm for him? No thanks. |
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Post by noetsi on Jul 31, 2019 19:27:59 GMT -5
I think the issue is simpler. Cashman says he knocked on every door and AZ has no doors...
Seriously Cashman says he knocked on all doors. He did not say if he made serious offers.
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Post by anthonyd46 on Jul 31, 2019 19:34:17 GMT -5
 These are the only free agents available still according to MLBTR. Not sure any of these guys are better than what we have. |
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Post by anthonyd46 on Jul 31, 2019 19:39:14 GMT -5
7:35PM: The Yankees were willing to give up Clint Frazier and another prospect for Ray, USA Today’s Bob Nightengale tweets, though talks fizzled out after the Diamondbacks requested more prospects. As per MLB Network’s Jon Heyman, the D’Backs wanted a four-prospect package that included Frazier and right-hander Clarke Schmidt, who was the 16th overall pick of the 2017 draft and rated by MLB Pipeline as the fifth-best prospect in New York’s system.
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Post by pippsheadache on Jul 31, 2019 19:42:48 GMT -5
I might sign Edwin Jackson on a lark just because the Yankees are one of the few teamd he's never pitched for. But no, nobody jumps out from that list.
Remind me again why James Shields is called "Big Game."
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Post by pippsheadache on Jul 31, 2019 19:46:00 GMT -5
Kaybli, I think those are current unsigned free agents.
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Post by anthonyd46 on Jul 31, 2019 19:47:12 GMT -5
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