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Post by inger on Jul 5, 2018 22:33:15 GMT -5
Everybody here can start throwing the rotten tomatoes at me if they want to, but I'd trade Torres for DeGrom...Done. Somebody else can cover 2nd for the season and move on from there. Yes, Torres has been special. Perhaps too special. If he can bring back DeGrom do it now...So who plays 2nd? Maybe Wade. Maybe Drury. Maybe Torreyes when he gets back (assuming he gets back)...There will be a drop off in offense...but there will also be a very special pitcher in the rotation to run with Severino...And don't forget that the Yankees minor leagues are loaded with middle infielders. The next wave is not far behind...Bye, Gleyber...have a nice time in Queens!!!
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Post by yankees89 on Jul 5, 2018 22:37:27 GMT -5
Everybody here can start throwing the rotten tomatoes at me if they want to, but I'd trade Torres for DeGrom...Done. Somebody else can cover 2nd for the season and move on from there. Yes, Torres has been special. Perhaps too special. If he can bring back DeGrom do it now...So who plays 2nd? Maybe Wade. Maybe Drury. Maybe Torreyes when he gets back (assuming he gets back)...There will be a drop off in offense...but there will also be a very special pitcher in the rotation to run with Severino...And don't forget that the Yankees minor leagues are loaded with middle infielders. The next wave is not far behind...Bye, Gleyber...have a nice time in Queens!!! I just don’t think I could pull the trigger. Gleyber is just so damn good and he 6 years of control left as compared to 2.5 for DeGrom. Maybe if the Mets agreed to take Ellsbury with Torres lol |
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Post by utahyank on Jul 5, 2018 22:53:15 GMT -5
Everybody here can start throwing the rotten tomatoes at me if they want to, but I'd trade Torres for DeGrom...Done. Somebody else can cover 2nd for the season and move on from there. Yes, Torres has been special. Perhaps too special. If he can bring back DeGrom do it now...So who plays 2nd? Maybe Wade. Maybe Drury. Maybe Torreyes when he gets back (assuming he gets back)...There will be a drop off in offense...but there will also be a very special pitcher in the rotation to run with Severino...And don't forget that the Yankees minor leagues are loaded with middle infielders. The next wave is not far behind...Bye, Gleyber...have a nice time in Queens!!! I think I feel the same way, inger.....the reality seems to me that the Yankees could come closer to winning it all by having another ace pitcher, than by having an all-world 2B that could be pitched around in critical situations.....I would swallow hard, and take that deal...... |
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Post by kaybli on Jul 5, 2018 23:22:56 GMT -5
Everybody here can start throwing the rotten tomatoes at me if they want to, but I'd trade Torres for DeGrom...Done. Somebody else can cover 2nd for the season and move on from there. Yes, Torres has been special. Perhaps too special. If he can bring back DeGrom do it now...So who plays 2nd? Maybe Wade. Maybe Drury. Maybe Torreyes when he gets back (assuming he gets back)...There will be a drop off in offense...but there will also be a very special pitcher in the rotation to run with Severino...And don't forget that the Yankees minor leagues are loaded with middle infielders. The next wave is not far behind...Bye, Gleyber...have a nice time in Queens!!! The only way you make that trade is if Torres' hip injury is chronic. Otherwise, you don't give up all those years of control for a few years of DeGrom who can have an arm injury at any time. Commence the tomato throwing!
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Post by kaybli on Jul 5, 2018 23:29:49 GMT -5
I'm a little awed at what I read on MLB.com.............reportedly the Mets have asked for a 1 for 1 trade of de Grom for Gleyber Torres..... Jim Duquette thinks the Yankees should not take that trade, that is, Torres is too special, but dang......that would require some deep searching by the Yankees wouldn't it?.....I thought it would take more, but it shows how highly Torres is thought of..... Do you have the link where you saw that, utah? I don't see it anywhere on MLB.com. |
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Post by inger on Jul 5, 2018 23:39:14 GMT -5
Swallow VERY hard...but DO make the deal. I'm not knocking Torres in anyway, but being realistic we're not really sure of what he'll be yet. Most likely don't realize that in his last 35 games he's hit .256/.311/.479. He was hitting .340 up until May 25th. He's still hit 6 HR and driven in 18 in those 35 games while being utilized in multiple line up spots...And while he's had several high-profile clutch hits for the Yankees he's also made 10 errors at 2B in the 62 games in which he's appeared this season. He's still a rookie. Recorded instances of sophomore slump are written all over the annals of baseball history, as are the Joe Charboneaus and Hurricane Hazels of the past...Will Gleyber be a super star with 40 HR at 2B? Maybe. Is DeGrom one of the elite pitchers in MLB today? Most certainly...
In the 9 games in which Torres has made at least one error, the Yankees are 5-4. As I recall he was sort of the goat on a couple of those occasions. Those are easier to gloss over than game-winning hits or HR are. We tend to forget them unless they happen in the post season...
Just a quick reference to a few MLB rookie of the year players that failed to follow up with great careers...
Angel Berroa .287/17/73, plus added 21/5 in SB...never matched any of those numbers in any other of his 9 total seasons. Retired at 31 with a .258 average and 46 HR, 50 SB...and a .303 career OBP...
Joe Charboneau .289/23/87 was the toast of the town in Cleveland with a song about him on the radio. The song died quickly when he hit .210 and .214 the next years and was out of MLB at 27...
Bob Hamelin .282/24/65 in 101 games. The next season he slipped to (urp) .168. He was done by age 30 with only one other season that came close, a 17 HR affair for Detroit at age 29...
Walt Dropo .322/34/144 to lead the league in RBI (tied with team mate Vern Stephens). Dropo was a good player, but he never hit higher than .281 in any other season and only topped 20 HR twice more..
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Jerome Walton .293/5/46 plus 24/7 in SB. He hit .263/2/21 the next season with 14/7 stolen base mark. He never played as a regular again, hanging on to age 32...
Pat Listach .290/1/47 with a 54/18 SB mark. He hit only .231 as he quickly faded into a back up role for the remaining 5 years of his career. At least he did SB another 60/20 over that time...
Bobby Crosby .239/22/64 as a SS. The HR's excited the voters. He struggle through a half dozen more years hitting in the .230's but never duplicated the power he demonstrated as a rookie...
Tom Tresh .286/20/93. Tresh remained a decent player as baseball when into it's second dead ball era, but he never quite became the player he appeared to be in that glorious 1962 season. He wound up at .245 with 153 Career HR...
So, there have been many excellent rookies that have gone on and had excellent careers, but heed the warning here that it's not always guaranteed...
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Post by kaybli on Jul 6, 2018 4:39:36 GMT -5
I'm a little awed at what I read on MLB.com.............reportedly the Mets have asked for a 1 for 1 trade of de Grom for Gleyber Torres..... Jim Duquette thinks the Yankees should not take that trade, that is, Torres is too special, but dang......that would require some deep searching by the Yankees wouldn't it?.....I thought it would take more, but it shows how highly Torres is thought of..... Do you have the link where you saw that, utah? I don't see it anywhere on MLB.com. I didn't see anywhere the Mets were offering DeGrom straight up for Gleyber but I did see this:
Mets trade rumors: Jacob deGrom and Noah Syndergaard are reportedly staying put for now
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Post by michcusejoe5 on Jul 6, 2018 7:50:35 GMT -5
Do you have the link where you saw that, utah? I don't see it anywhere on MLB.com. I didn't see anywhere the Mets were offering DeGrom straight up for Gleyber but I did see this:
Mets trade rumors: Jacob deGrom and Noah Syndergaard are reportedly staying put for now
The Mets are so dumb |
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Post by utahyank on Jul 6, 2018 10:21:20 GMT -5
I'm a little awed at what I read on MLB.com.............reportedly the Mets have asked for a 1 for 1 trade of de Grom for Gleyber Torres..... Jim Duquette thinks the Yankees should not take that trade, that is, Torres is too special, but dang......that would require some deep searching by the Yankees wouldn't it?.....I thought it would take more, but it shows how highly Torres is thought of..... Do you have the link where you saw that, utah? I don't see it anywhere on MLB.com. I don't know how to link...sorry....saw it last night under the heading of trade rumors on de Grom....it was quite a way down in the article.... |
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Post by utahyank on Jul 6, 2018 10:28:16 GMT -5
well dang, this is why I don't usually say anything like this....now this morning on MLB it is replaced by other things.....all I can say is it WAs there, and the Duquette comment....fake news maybe....it surprised me that the Mets would think that highly of Torres, but that was the report...
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Post by chiyankee on Jul 6, 2018 11:17:18 GMT -5
The Yankee farm system is so loaded that they should be able to land deGrom without giving up Torres, that is if the Mets ever get serious about a rebuild.
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Post by do me pleasze on Jul 6, 2018 11:37:11 GMT -5
Everybody here can start throwing the rotten tomatoes at me if they want to, but I'd trade Torres for DeGrom...Done. Somebody else can cover 2nd for the season and move on from there. Yes, Torres has been special. Perhaps too special. If he can bring back DeGrom do it now...So who plays 2nd? Maybe Wade. Maybe Drury. Maybe Torreyes when he gets back (assuming he gets back)...There will be a drop off in offense...but there will also be a very special pitcher in the rotation to run with Severino...And don't forget that the Yankees minor leagues are loaded with middle infielders. The next wave is not far behind...Bye, Gleyber...have a nice time in Queens!!! INGER: Have you gone CRAZY? Maybe it is a Tick Bite? Maybe a previous Head Injury is to Blame? Maybe this is the first sign that you are ready for Assisted Living Facility?
Maybe you drop ACID without a guide there with you ( I had warned you about this...)
Tequila thinks your wife should check for PODS under your bed.
Our Final Thoughts: "YOU SAID WHAT? WHAT THE F..K?"
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Post by inger on Jul 6, 2018 11:54:24 GMT -5
Everybody here can start throwing the rotten tomatoes at me if they want to, but I'd trade Torres for DeGrom...Done. Somebody else can cover 2nd for the season and move on from there. Yes, Torres has been special. Perhaps too special. If he can bring back DeGrom do it now...So who plays 2nd? Maybe Wade. Maybe Drury. Maybe Torreyes when he gets back (assuming he gets back)...There will be a drop off in offense...but there will also be a very special pitcher in the rotation to run with Severino...And don't forget that the Yankees minor leagues are loaded with middle infielders. The next wave is not far behind...Bye, Gleyber...have a nice time in Queens!!! The only way you make that trade is if Torres' hip injury is chronic. Otherwise, you don't give up all those years of control for a few years of DeGrom who can have an arm injury at any time. Commence the tomato throwing!
Sometimes great men must stand alone in the face of the crowd. One point you already made for this is that Torres hip injury is already proving to be chronic. This has happened to him before, and he's only 21 years of age. There is a risk factor there... |
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Post by kaybli on Jul 6, 2018 15:37:39 GMT -5
The only way you make that trade is if Torres' hip injury is chronic. Otherwise, you don't give up all those years of control for a few years of DeGrom who can have an arm injury at any time. Commence the tomato throwing!
Sometimes great men must stand alone in the face of the crowd. One point you already made for this is that Torres hip injury is already proving to be chronic. This has happened to him before, and he's only 21 years of age. There is a risk factor there... When did it happen to him before? |
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Post by sierchio on Jul 6, 2018 17:53:19 GMT -5
Sometimes great men must stand alone in the face of the crowd. One point you already made for this is that Torres hip injury is already proving to be chronic. This has happened to him before, and he's only 21 years of age. There is a risk factor there... When did it happen to him before? Boone said he's been dealing with hip troubles "for the past two year" or "past couple years" or something to that effect |
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