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Post by kaybli on Apr 14, 2018 21:31:22 GMT -5
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Post by inger on Apr 14, 2018 22:30:39 GMT -5
I don't like the bat flips. When I was younger, a bat thrown was cause for ejection. This is a good demonstration of why it still should be. Accidents happen. Why invite them with acts that could cause injury? Why allow a player to do something that is so "in the face" of the opponent so as to be poor sportsmanship? To me, there was nothing more "professional" than hitting the ball and then politely setting the bat aside as you ran up the first base line...At least the batter here was apologetic and appeared a bit embarrassed. Maybe he'll stop flipping his bats???
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Post by cbpinstripes on Apr 15, 2018 12:53:48 GMT -5
I don't like the bat flips. When I was younger, a bat thrown was cause for ejection. This is a good demonstration of why it still should be. Accidents happen. Why invite them with acts that could cause injury? Why allow a player to do something that is so "in the face" of the opponent so as to be poor sportsmanship? To me, there was nothing more "professional" than hitting the ball and then politely setting the bat aside as you ran up the first base line...At least the batter here was apologetic and appeared a bit embarrassed. Maybe he'll stop flipping his bats??? I honestly don't mind it at all. As long as the batter doesn't mind the pitcher staring him down next time he k's him. If you can give it, you have to be able to take it too. |
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Post by inger on Apr 15, 2018 14:14:03 GMT -5
I think it's all in the way you view sports. I was always one to think that even amateurs should act in a gentlemanly way when playing sports. Things I didn't do...Throw equipment, whether it might be a bat, a golf club. Slam things down because I screwed up, whether that might be my ball glove, or the bowling ball back in the rack. Kick or punch nearby inanimate objects because I made an out or bowled a split, missed a putt, etc....
On the golf course, I recall once that I hit a bad drive and muttered "Damn". The entire foursome was quiet for a moment and then one guy said..."Leon cussed. That's like hearing the preacher cuss". The truth is that I do curse, but seldom when I'm working. I think it develops bad habits, but I assure you, as I did everyone else in my foursome that day...I know all the bad words, and I can and have used everyone of them in a sentence. It's all about your outlook in life...If I hit a bad golf shot, for the most part instead of being mad and then wind up hitting another bad shot, I found it better to view the next shot as the opportunity to recover with the shot of a lifetime...
So, yeah...you should be able to take what you give...and you should expect to get what you give as well...Sometimes you won't, but in the long run, you'll be the better person if you can keep yourself under control...
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Post by cbpinstripes on Apr 15, 2018 16:05:57 GMT -5
I can't disagree with any of them points. I just like that it adds an element of emotion in the game, players get under player's skin and it creates rivalries. However, Derek Jeter is my favorite Yankee to ever play, and he played the game the way you describe so I guess I can appreciate both sides of the equation.
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Post by inger on Apr 15, 2018 18:56:36 GMT -5
I can't disagree with any of them points. I just like that it adds an element of emotion in the game, players get under player's skin and it creates rivalries. However, Derek Jeter is my favorite Yankee to ever play, and he played the game the way you describe so I guess I can appreciate both sides of the equation. Yes, cb. Like Jeter...But that's part of made Jeter who he is. Even then, another element of people deemed him "Saint Jeter". So for the same reason that you mention about emotions, rivalries and etc., along with the simple fact that the times have changed I now must take one more step to control my emotions. Even though I will express here that I don't like that sort of behavior, I must not become overly emotional about it, and learn to accept the ways of today. Sometimes I think things like this are a demonstration of the larger plan that determined our life spans. Once we reach a certain age, the societal and technological changes become more than we can process from an emotional or mental standpoint so we begin to feel ourselves becoming irrelevant, ready to pass on to the next level, whether that involves lying on a fluffy cloud listening to harp music or rotting in a damp and cold grave matters not... At 64, I am finally allowing myself to feel too young to move on, and find myself wanting to accomplish things. Perhaps just to piss those folks off that think that I'm reaching the age of irrelevancy...I spent too many years aging to not want to correct all of that... (: |
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Post by chiyankee on Apr 15, 2018 19:18:31 GMT -5
It's 1986 all over again: The Red Sox are 13-2 and the Mets are 12-2.
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Post by utahyank on Apr 15, 2018 19:39:23 GMT -5
I can't disagree with any of them points. I just like that it adds an element of emotion in the game, players get under player's skin and it creates rivalries. However, Derek Jeter is my favorite Yankee to ever play, and he played the game the way you describe so I guess I can appreciate both sides of the equation. Yes, cb. Like Jeter...But that's part of made Jeter who he is. Even then, another element of people deemed him "Saint Jeter". So for the same reason that you mention about emotions, rivalries and etc., along with the simple fact that the times have changed I now must take one more step to control my emotions. Even though I will express here that I don't like that sort of behavior, I must not become overly emotional about it, and learn to accept the ways of today. Sometimes I think things like this are a demonstration of the larger plan that determined our life spans. Once we reach a certain age, the societal and technological changes become more than we can process from an emotional or mental standpoint so we begin to feel ourselves becoming irrelevant, ready to pass on to the next level, whether that involves lying on a fluffy cloud listening to harp music or rotting in a damp and cold grave matters not... At 64, I am finally allowing myself to feel too young to move on, and find myself wanting to accomplish things. Perhaps just to piss those folks off that think that I'm reaching the age of irrelevancy...I spent too many years aging to not want to correct all of that... (: I enjoyed reading your discussion...both of you..........we all know how rough and cruel the early-day players were, and yet there was an illusion, at least, of not showing the opposition up on the playing field.......I think that illusion was generally born out of self-interest, because if you "showed off" or "disrespected" you would likely become a target....it is somewhat interesting that a few players seemed to have a pass from other clubs on being targeted for beaning or other disabling contacts...I am thinking of Joe DiMaggio, who was one of those....I don't know of anyone throwing at him, ever.......of course if they had the Yankees would have exploded, and the retaliation would have been huge....but Joe was not "in-your-face" as a player, and the other teams seemed to respect the grace and ability with which he played....in contrast, I saw Keller hit a number of times, and buzzed more than that...... |
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Post by kaybli on Apr 15, 2018 20:08:53 GMT -5
It's 1986 all over again: The Red Sox are 13-2 and the Mets are 12-2.  |
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Post by inger on Apr 16, 2018 0:11:47 GMT -5
Yes, cb. Like Jeter...But that's part of made Jeter who he is. Even then, another element of people deemed him "Saint Jeter". So for the same reason that you mention about emotions, rivalries and etc., along with the simple fact that the times have changed I now must take one more step to control my emotions. Even though I will express here that I don't like that sort of behavior, I must not become overly emotional about it, and learn to accept the ways of today. Sometimes I think things like this are a demonstration of the larger plan that determined our life spans. Once we reach a certain age, the societal and technological changes become more than we can process from an emotional or mental standpoint so we begin to feel ourselves becoming irrelevant, ready to pass on to the next level, whether that involves lying on a fluffy cloud listening to harp music or rotting in a damp and cold grave matters not... At 64, I am finally allowing myself to feel too young to move on, and find myself wanting to accomplish things. Perhaps just to piss those folks off that think that I'm reaching the age of irrelevancy...I spent too many years aging to not want to correct all of that... (: I enjoyed reading your discussion...both of you..........we all know how rough and cruel the early-day players were, and yet there was an illusion, at least, of not showing the opposition up on the playing field.......I think that illusion was generally born out of self-interest, because if you "showed off" or "disrespected" you would likely become a target....it is somewhat interesting that a few players seemed to have a pass from other clubs on being targeted for beaning or other disabling contacts...I am thinking of Joe DiMaggio, who was one of those....I don't know of anyone throwing at him, ever.......of course if they had the Yankees would have exploded, and the retaliation would have been huge....but Joe was not "in-your-face" as a player, and the other teams seemed to respect the grace and ability with which he played....in contrast, I saw Keller hit a number of times, and buzzed more than that...... Thank you for the compliments, to both of us. The discussion was certainly not a contentious one, but was very open. Your addition of Joe DiMaggio and his grace into the discussion is greatly appreciated. I never saw DiMaggio play, and as a youth I struggled with his numbers...(what? ONLY 355 HR?) without at the time having the mental maturity to understand what the time in the military did to minimize them. When I look at his career page, I now feel a very deep appreciation for the great comeback season he had at age 33, with 39 HR and 155 RBI. Amazing... |
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Post by utahyank on Apr 16, 2018 16:34:28 GMT -5
I enjoyed reading your discussion...both of you..........we all know how rough and cruel the early-day players were, and yet there was an illusion, at least, of not showing the opposition up on the playing field.......I think that illusion was generally born out of self-interest, because if you "showed off" or "disrespected" you would likely become a target....it is somewhat interesting that a few players seemed to have a pass from other clubs on being targeted for beaning or other disabling contacts...I am thinking of Joe DiMaggio, who was one of those....I don't know of anyone throwing at him, ever.......of course if they had the Yankees would have exploded, and the retaliation would have been huge....but Joe was not "in-your-face" as a player, and the other teams seemed to respect the grace and ability with which he played....in contrast, I saw Keller hit a number of times, and buzzed more than that...... Thank you for the compliments, to both of us. The discussion was certainly not a contentious one, but was very open. Your addition of Joe DiMaggio and his grace into the discussion is greatly appreciated. I never saw DiMaggio play, and as a youth I struggled with his numbers...(what? ONLY 355 HR?) without at the time having the mental maturity to understand what the time in the military did to minimize them. When I look at his career page, I now feel a very deep appreciation for the great comeback season he had at age 33, with 39 HR and 155 RBI. Amazing... Joe probably lost 10-15 homers per playing season due to the huge left-left center field in the old stadium......that may seem an exaggeration, but I think not...he hit the ball so hard nearly every time up, that it may actually be on the low side.....but, what a beautiful player he was......the best I have ever seen, although when I was a boy some older Cleveland scouts that were friends with the spitballer Clarence Mitchell told me that Speaker was much the same and maybe even better.......I took them seriously, and have always placed Tris Speaker very high in all-time lists........ |
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Post by kaybli on Apr 16, 2018 17:10:14 GMT -5
Thank you for the compliments, to both of us. The discussion was certainly not a contentious one, but was very open. Your addition of Joe DiMaggio and his grace into the discussion is greatly appreciated. I never saw DiMaggio play, and as a youth I struggled with his numbers...(what? ONLY 355 HR?) without at the time having the mental maturity to understand what the time in the military did to minimize them. When I look at his career page, I now feel a very deep appreciation for the great comeback season he had at age 33, with 39 HR and 155 RBI. Amazing... Joe probably lost 10-15 homers per playing season due to the huge left-left center field in the old stadium......that may seem an exaggeration, but I think not...he hit the ball so hard nearly every time up, that it may actually be on the low side.....but, what a beautiful player he was......the best I have ever seen, although when I was a boy some older Cleveland scouts that were friends with the spitballer Clarence Mitchell told me that Speaker was much the same and maybe even better.......I took them seriously, and have always placed Tris Speaker very high in all-time lists........ Left-center field was 457 ft. from home plate. At the Yankees' new ball park, the distance is 399 ft. DiMaggio hit 148 home runs in 3,360 at-bats at home. He hit 213 home runs in 3,461 at-bats on the road. His slugging percentage at home was .546, and on the road, it was .610. Baseball historian Bill Jenkins wrote that each time DiMaggio stepped into the batter's box at Yankee Stadium, he knew that is was impossible for him to hit a home run to the half of the field that was directly in front of him. "If you look at a baseball field from foul line to foul line, it has a 90-degree radius. From the power alley in left center field (430 in Joe's time) to the fence in deep right center field (407 ft), it is 45-degrees. And Joe DiMaggio never hit a single home run over the fences at Yankee Stadium in that 45-degree graveyard. It was just too far. If he had hit the same exact pattern of batted balls with a typical modern stadium as his home, he would have belted about 225 homers during his home field career." DiMaggio rarely benefited from the short foul line distances, but the cavernous outfield made up for the few "cheapies." DiMaggio hit only 41 percent of his home runs at Yankee Stadium. bleacherreport.com/articles/1085466-joe-dimaggio-and-yankee-stadium-were-not-good-friends |
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Post by inger on Apr 16, 2018 22:34:24 GMT -5
It wasn't just DiMaggio, it was all RH hitters that had to face that goliath of a left field. It was Mantle in about 35% or so of his at bats. Hank Bauer, Moose Skowron...many more...No wonder the Yankees would stockpile LH hitters and switch hitters in those days...
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Post by kaybli on Apr 16, 2018 22:56:20 GMT -5
It wasn't just DiMaggio, it was all RH hitters that had to face that goliath of a left field. It was Mantle in about 35% or so of his at bats. Hank Bauer, Moose Skowron...many more...No wonder the Yankees would stockpile LH hitters and switch hitters in those days... Who was the genius that built that stadium with those dimensions? |
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Post by inger on Apr 16, 2018 23:32:57 GMT -5
LOL. I used to think it was really a cool place though. Yes, many fly balls died in that left and center field, but on the other hand, it was great for triples and inside the park home runs. Also to drop a single in front of the deep-playing outfielders...I'd also say it was far from the worst-conceived ball yards of the day. First of all, when it was built no one could have foreseen how big a deal the HR would become in the future...There were also places like Baker Bowl, LF 341; CF 408; RCF 300; RF 280 with a 40' tall wall...The Polo Grounds, LF 279, LCF 450, CF 483, RCF 449, RF 279. No dis-respect intended for Mel Ott...but he knew how to pull the ball... (:
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