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Post by rizzuto on Apr 17, 2024 11:55:52 GMT -5
I hope Holmes out pitches Hader, but it's funny that the save stats in those years wasn't included. I wonder why? 
Hader has 70; Holmes 50. Not sure about percentages or blown saves. |
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Post by noetsi on Apr 17, 2024 14:49:27 GMT -5
It is illegal in the US to pay gambling debts. And his name is attached to several such payments.
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Post by rizzuto on Apr 17, 2024 23:15:42 GMT -5
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Post by kaybli on Apr 17, 2024 23:35:24 GMT -5
Maybe I got this one wrong. |
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Post by desousa on Apr 18, 2024 7:06:27 GMT -5
I love it when athletes are honest.
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Post by inger on Apr 18, 2024 7:19:17 GMT -5
It is illegal in the US to pay gambling debts. And his name is attached to several such payments. Russ, I can’t find anything corroborate this statement. The only thing that would happen is that the person receiving that benefit would be responsible for the taxes on that money if it’s more than $18K. So if Ohtani paid off the interpreter’s debt, then the interpreter would then have to come up with the cash to pay the IRS or be in yet another jam. I this case it appears as though technically Ohtani’s money may have been used to pay debt, but Ohtani was unaware of that, as the money was stolen. Unless more evidence is found to the contrary Ohtani’s worst crime may have been stupidity, for trusting the interpreter too much to handle his affairs. I doubt the story is all out on the table, time will tell… |
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Post by themartian on Apr 18, 2024 7:20:23 GMT -5
I hope Holmes out pitches Hader, but it's funny that the save stats in those years wasn't included. I wonder why?
Hader has 70; Holmes 50. Not sure about percentages or blown saves. I remember when Wetteland had 43 saves to Mo's 5 in 1996. Does that mean Wetteland was better? |
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Post by inger on Apr 18, 2024 7:24:42 GMT -5
Hader has 70; Holmes 50. Not sure about percentages or blown saves. I remember when Wetteland had 43 saves to Mo's 5 in 1996. Does that mean Wetteland was better? I believe it to be an apples to oranges comparison of one man, Hader, who was an established closer for many years vs. Holmes, who was still earning that role with the Yankees and therefore was not getting every save opportunity… |
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Post by Max on Apr 18, 2024 13:15:45 GMT -5
Hader has 70; Holmes 50. Not sure about percentages or blown saves. I remember when Wetteland had 43 saves to Mo's 5 in 1996. Does that mean Wetteland was better?
No, but let me know when Holmes pitches like Mo did in 1996 when Mo dominated at times for more than 1 inning. Who's the better pitcher Hader or Holmes?
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Post by Max on Apr 18, 2024 13:22:22 GMT -5
I remember when Wetteland had 43 saves to Mo's 5 in 1996. Does that mean Wetteland was better? I believe it to be an apples to oranges comparison of one man, Hader, who was an established closer for many years vs. Holmes, who was still earning that role with the Yankees and therefore was not getting every save opportunity…
But 20 save opportunities? 70-50 saves is a big difference.
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Post by ypaterson on Apr 18, 2024 14:08:18 GMT -5
I remember when Wetteland had 43 saves to Mo's 5 in 1996. Does that mean Wetteland was better?
No, but let me know when Holmes pitches like Mo did in 1996 when Mo dominated at times for more than 1 inning. Who's the better pitcher Hader or Holmes?
Dominate like Mariano did in 1996 ? I don't think any of us will live to see that again. Hader was great in 2018 but never reached the Rivera level. And Rivera did it before testing for PEDs. Holmes will never get close to that but I don't think anyone else will either. |
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Post by themartian on Apr 18, 2024 14:37:14 GMT -5
I remember when Wetteland had 43 saves to Mo's 5 in 1996. Does that mean Wetteland was better?
No, but let me know when Holmes pitches like Mo did in 1996 when Mo dominated at times for more than 1 inning. Who's the better pitcher Hader or Holmes?
Funny you should say that because Hader is strictly a 1 inning pitcher. Right now it's Holmes. And not only is he pitching better, he's not attached to a costly/long contract. |
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Post by inger on Apr 18, 2024 14:56:51 GMT -5
I believe it to be an apples to oranges comparison of one man, Hader, who was an established closer for many years vs. Holmes, who was still earning that role with the Yankees and therefore was not getting every save opportunity…
But 20 save opportunities? 70-50 saves is a big difference.
I like that you used the word opportunities, Max. In 2023 when Holmes saved 20, the Yankees employed several Other relievers to save 20 more games. In 2023, with Holmes saving 24, the Yankees garnered 17 additional saves from other pitchers. In Hader’s case, he was fully established as “the closer” by his team. The only time someone else got an opportunity was when he was not available. That was true even in 2022 when he was not pitching well, I suppose because of his track record and the hope that he’d come back to his previous level of effectiveness. Do who’s best? At one time the answer was easy. It was Hader. Today, with Holmes atop the AL with 7 saves and a 0.00 ERA, and Hader getting rapped around at 8.31, the answer is not so easy. Hader had a great 2023 after a poor 2022 (in which he still got a bunch of saves). The start to 2024 is not promising. Would I trade Holmes one on one for Hader today? Heck no! I want no parts of Hader, who by the way had not had a long run. He’s not near the top of the list of greatest closers of all time. There have been many pitchers who have pitched well as long as he did and then faltered. In any event, 70-50? I just showed you 41 known opportunities that other Yankee pitchers got. And that doesn’t count any saves those other Yankees failed to get. Holmes has had to fight to keep his job for the Yankees every year. He’s not perfect, but he keeps getting more opportunities than any other Yankee hurler. There’s a reason for that. He’s the best we have… |
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Post by inger on Apr 18, 2024 14:59:16 GMT -5
No, but let me know when Holmes pitches like Mo did in 1996 when Mo dominated at times for more than 1 inning. Who's the better pitcher Hader or Holmes?
Funny you should say that because Hader is strictly a 1 inning pitcher. Right now it's Holmes. And not only is he pitching better, he's not attached to a costly/long contract. The fact that Hader’s ego and precious arm refuses to even get one extra out for his team truly turned me off on him. I can’t feel bad for his failure at this point… |
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Post by Max on Apr 18, 2024 16:33:49 GMT -5
No, but let me know when Holmes pitches like Mo did in 1996 when Mo dominated at times for more than 1 inning. Who's the better pitcher Hader or Holmes?
Dominate like Mariano did in 1996 ? I don't think any of us will live to see that again. Hader was great in 2018 but never reached the Rivera level. And Rivera did it before testing for PEDs. Holmes will never get close to that but I don't think anyone else will either. Rivera in my opinion is the best reliever of all time. I wouldn't compare Hader to him, let alone compare Holmes to him. |
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