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Post by inger on Jul 18, 2024 14:05:50 GMT -5
For grins, I went back to the 2019 draft to see who we selected before Henderson. We actually had two picks before he was selected. With the first we took Volpe who has a chance to be a good played but probably doesn't have the ceiling that Henderson has. With the 2nd, which was a competitive balance pick, we took pitche T. J Sikkema. He was part of the deal that allowed us to get Benintendi. Since being traded to the Royals he was selected by the Reds as a draft 5 player but hasn't had much of an impact. Hindsite is always 20/20 but Henderson would have been a really nice pick with either of our first two picks in that draft. Not meant as a knock on Volpe, but IMO Henderson & Witt Jr. are in a class above him. The numbers sure don’t lie… |
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Post by azbob643 on Jul 18, 2024 14:19:24 GMT -5
But...gotta wonder if Henderson would've developed in the Yankee system as he has with Baltimore. If he wouldn't have, that's a much bigger issue. We'll never know. We do know most of Baltimore's 1st round picks since the late 90's made it to the bigs...more than a few have excelled. One who made it but couldn't couldn't live up to expectations was Darnell McDonald, who I coached against in the AYL. |
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Post by azbob643 on Jul 18, 2024 14:20:21 GMT -5
Not meant as a knock on Volpe, but IMO Henderson & Witt Jr. are in a class above him. The numbers sure don’t lie… Yeah...I just stuck "IMO" in as a courtesy to those who might disagree. |
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Post by inger on Jul 18, 2024 14:33:08 GMT -5
The numbers sure don’t lie… Yeah...I just stuck "IMO" in as a courtesy to those who might disagree. Volpe has been frustrating. On and off offense that’s Jeterian, while protracted slumps and non-selective hitting that’s so hard to understand. When he’s hot, he’s a Hall of Famer. When he’s cold, he produces nothing. Is he a number nine hitter? A lead off guy? Where did his pop go? Thank goodness he’s a top notch SS… |
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Post by azbob643 on Jul 18, 2024 14:39:52 GMT -5
Yeah...I just stuck "IMO" in as a courtesy to those who might disagree. Volpe has been frustrating. On and off offense that’s Jeterian, while protracted slumps and non-selective hitting that’s so hard to understand. When he’s hot, he’s a Hall of Famer. When he’s cold, he produces nothing. Is he a number nine hitter? A lead off guy? Where did his pop go? Thank goodness he’s a top notch SS… I know many will disagree, but he doesn't look like a GG SS to me. He gets the job done, much like Bader does/did in CF, but doesn't have the fluidity we see in most elite SS. He also doesn't have the arm to make that Jeter jump throw from the hole...his throws often remind me of David Eckstein, who also got the job done. |
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Post by inger on Jul 18, 2024 14:52:00 GMT -5
Volpe has been frustrating. On and off offense that’s Jeterian, while protracted slumps and non-selective hitting that’s so hard to understand. When he’s hot, he’s a Hall of Famer. When he’s cold, he produces nothing. Is he a number nine hitter? A lead off guy? Where did his pop go? Thank goodness he’s a top notch SS… I know many will disagree, but he doesn't look like a GG SS to me. He gets the job done, much like Bader does/did in CF, but doesn't have the fluidity we see in most elite SS. He also doesn't have the arm to make that Jeter jump throw from the hole...his throws often remind me of David Eckstein, who also got the job done. If he ever starts to find consistency at the plate, IDs him more as a future 2B, and a great one with the glove. I know his dream was always to be the starting SS for the Yankees, but he’s lived that now. Last season I thought Witt was going to get the GG, but accepted the pleasant surprise that Volpe “won” it. To me, he’s done a fine job at SS, but he’s playing it at max effort and will age out of it as his energy level recedes with age… If he doesn’t start hitting consistently, then he becomes a utility option or trade bait… |
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Post by azbob643 on Jul 18, 2024 15:05:57 GMT -5
I know many will disagree, but he doesn't look like a GG SS to me. He gets the job done, much like Bader does/did in CF, but doesn't have the fluidity we see in most elite SS. He also doesn't have the arm to make that Jeter jump throw from the hole...his throws often remind me of David Eckstein, who also got the job done. If he ever starts to find consistency at the plate, IDs him more as a future 2B, and a great one with the glove. I know his dream was always to be the starting SS for the Yankees, but he’s lived that now. Last season I thought Witt was going to get the GG, but accepted the pleasant surprise that Volpe “won” it. To me, he’s done a fine job at SS, but he’s playing it at max effort and will age out of it as his energy level recedes with age… If he doesn’t start hitting consistently, then he becomes a utility option or trade bait… Good points, but I believe he'll hit well enough to be an everyday, above average 2B, where he was always projected to be, with Peraza at SS. IMO he kinda ended up at SS by default. He's never really hit for average, but had very good power numbers in MiL. I think his strength is the opposite of what many believe/expect it to be...a classic high BA/OBP leadoff hitter. IMO expecting him to be that is forcing a square peg into a round hole. Put him down in the order and let him put 20+ HRs on the board...as he did last year. |
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Post by 1955nyyfan on Jul 18, 2024 15:13:42 GMT -5
Volpe has been frustrating. On and off offense that’s Jeterian, while protracted slumps and non-selective hitting that’s so hard to understand. When he’s hot, he’s a Hall of Famer. When he’s cold, he produces nothing. Is he a number nine hitter? A lead off guy? Where did his pop go? Thank goodness he’s a top notch SS… I know many will disagree, but he doesn't look like a GG SS to me. He gets the job done, much like Bader does/did in CF, but doesn't have the fluidity we see in most elite SS. He also doesn't have the arm to make that Jeter jump throw from the hole...his throws often remind me of David Eckstein, who also got the job done. I do think that Volpe looks like a really good defensive SS. GG is subjective and there are some good ones but I think he's in the discussion. I think he makes all the plays but sometimes has a hiccup when he rushes things. I would not have an issue with him remaining at SS from a defensive view point, but I don't evaluate mlb players for a living. |
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Post by azbob643 on Jul 18, 2024 15:24:46 GMT -5
I know many will disagree, but he doesn't look like a GG SS to me. He gets the job done, much like Bader does/did in CF, but doesn't have the fluidity we see in most elite SS. He also doesn't have the arm to make that Jeter jump throw from the hole...his throws often remind me of David Eckstein, who also got the job done. I do think that Volpe looks like a really good defensive SS. GG is subjective and there are some good ones but I think he's in the discussion. I think he makes all the plays but sometimes has a hiccup when he rushes things. I would not have an issue with him remaining at SS from a defensive view point, but I don't evaluate mlb players for a living. As I've said, he doesn't look "smooth" to me but gets the job done, which is what matters. But I wouldn't say he's so good we can live with below average offense. |
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Post by inger on Jul 18, 2024 15:27:42 GMT -5
I do think that Volpe looks like a really good defensive SS. GG is subjective and there are some good ones but I think he's in the discussion. I think he makes all the plays but sometimes has a hiccup when he rushes things. I would not have an issue with him remaining at SS from a defensive view point, but I don't evaluate mlb players for a living. As I've said, he doesn't look "smooth" to me but gets the job done, which is what matters. But I wouldn't say he's so good we can live with below average offense. He’s not Belanger… for sure… |
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Post by rizzuto on Jul 19, 2024 0:55:29 GMT -5
As I've said, he doesn't look "smooth" to me but gets the job done, which is what matters. But I wouldn't say he's so good we can live with below average offense. He’s not Belanger… for sure… Mark Belanger would never have had an opportunity to play in today's game. Twenty career home runs in eighteen big league seasons, and an OPS+ of 68. As good with a glove as there ever was. |
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Post by 1955nyyfan on Jul 19, 2024 10:17:12 GMT -5
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Post by azbob643 on Jul 19, 2024 11:09:00 GMT -5
"Volpe's ghastly error that cost the Yankees on Sunday finally put everybody over the edge."I’ve made my opinion of Volpe clear, but I take issue with this. This isn't the first time we've heard this sort of thing…insert "Gleyber's" in place of "Volpe's". "...fans would trade the spectacular range plays for security in high-leverage moments."Such a silly thing to say.
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Post by 1955nyyfan on Jul 19, 2024 11:32:29 GMT -5
"Volpe's ghastly error that cost the Yankees on Sunday finally put everybody over the edge."I’ve made my opinion of Volpe clear, but I take issue with this. This isn't the first time we've heard this sort of thing…insert "Gleyber's" in place of "Volpe's". "...fans would trade the spectacular range plays for security in high-leverage moments."Such a silly thing to say. I agreed with the offensive assessment but like you thought the defensive comments were way over the top. I think his miscues come when he feels rushed and often seem to be the transfer from glove to hand or throw. The offensive start this year was promising but now feels like a mirage. I stated awhile back that IMO, he hadn't solidified himself as our SS of the future and in a year or two we could be looking to upgrade. I still like his overall defense and right now consider him to be a defensive first SS which in todays game is going the route of the dinosaur. |
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Post by azbob643 on Jul 19, 2024 11:47:16 GMT -5
"Volpe's ghastly error that cost the Yankees on Sunday finally put everybody over the edge."I’ve made my opinion of Volpe clear, but I take issue with this. This isn't the first time we've heard this sort of thing…insert "Gleyber's" in place of "Volpe's". "...fans would trade the spectacular range plays for security in high-leverage moments."Such a silly thing to say. I agreed with the offensive assessment but like you thought the defensive comments were way over the top. For starters, there’s no such thing as “security in high leverage situations”. But if you asked fans if they’d be OK with a SS who could be counted on to make “routine plays” but nothing more, pretty sure the answer would be a resounding NO…especially one who has been as unproductive offensively as Volpe has been this year. |
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