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Post by michcusejoe5 on Dec 5, 2018 17:37:00 GMT -5
Goldschmidt traded to the Cardinals
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Post by michcusejoe5 on Dec 5, 2018 17:37:27 GMT -5
Cardinals get Goldschmidt for Weaver, Kelly
Cardinals acquired 1B Paul Goldschmidt from the Diamondbacks for RHP Luke Weaver, C Carson Kelly, INF Andrew Young, and a 2019 Competitive Balance Round B draft pick.
Goldschmidt is just 11 months away from free agency, but this still looks like a massive get for the Cardinals, who have been lacking a big middle-of-the-order presence since Albert Pujols departed and then eroded in Anaheim. The 31-year-old Goldschmidt has averaged a .301/.406/.541 batting line with 30 home runs and 100 RBI per season since the beginning of 2013. He'll be officially introduced at a press conference Friday in St. Louis.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2018 18:20:16 GMT -5
Woa! Didn't see that coming..
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Post by pippsheadache on Dec 5, 2018 18:36:12 GMT -5
Woa! Didn't see that coming.. Me either. This should be a good pickup for the Cardinals. Goldschmidt is tough. Three straight years missing the post-season has focused their minds. They had a pretty effective tandem at first with Jose Martinez and Matt Carpenter, although both of them play multiple positions. Would one of them now be trade bait? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2018 18:46:48 GMT -5
It still bothers me that the Yankees let themselves get outbid for Corbin. I mean, if the team is really all in to win next season, why pass on the best pitcher available in the market? Its not like they are waiting on more major league ready guys to come up. The tax ceiling has been met. So now they chase an inferior pitcher like Happ who is, what, 36? What if he wants three years? Ownership and Cash have been saying all off season that pitching is the priority and the team needs two near top of the rotation guys. They pass on Corbin for a sixth year which would put him at what, 35, but are considering Happ who is already 36 and at the minimum will demand two years. Admittedly, I am getting riled up by several articles I've been reading, plus I stayed up all night Singapore time watching the Bush ceremony and have to work.. Thats my bad, but... this smacks of not wanting to spend the money more than anything harking back a couple of seasons ago when they wouldn't go after Verlander. I admit, its easy for me to bitch, its not my money, but I sure hope there is a plan in place to either go after Machado or Harper and there probably is, but even then, why not sign both Corbin and one of the big two?
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Post by pippsheadache on Dec 5, 2018 19:03:00 GMT -5
It still bothers me that the Yankees let themselves get outbid for Corbin. I mean, if the team is really all in to win next season, why pass on the best pitcher available in the market? Its not like they are waiting on more major league ready guys to come up. The tax ceiling has been met. So now they chase an inferior pitcher like Happ who is, what, 36? What if he wants three years? Ownership and Cash have been saying all off season that pitching is the priority and the team needs two near top of the rotation guys. They pass on Corbin for a sixth year which would put him at what, 35, but are considering Happ who is already 36 and at the minimum will demand two years. Admittedly, I am getting riled up by several articles I've been reading, plus I stayed up all night Singapore time watching the Bush ceremony and have to work.. Thats my bad, but... this smacks of not wanting to spend the money more than anything harking back a couple of seasons ago when they wouldn't go after Verlander. I admit, its easy for me to bitch, its not my money, but I sure hope there is a plan in place to either go after Machado or Harper and there probably is, but even then, why not sign both Corbin and one of the big two? Chuck, I wanted them to get Corbin too. Suppose they modestly topped the Nats offer, which I assume they would have had to do, and went 6/150. That's $25 million a year for a guy who, although good, is by no means a top tier pitcher. It doesn't particularly bother me to spend other people's money, but that still seems excessive. I think in the bidding frenzy, some of these guys get seriously over-valued. Having said that, for sure they still need to get some more effective starting pitching. It also leaves more on the table to go after Harper or Machado. And I don't think a trade for Kluber, although difficult, is completely impossible. It would definitely come at a cost. There is still a lot of things that have to play out. I will join you in disappointment if they don't make at least one more significant addition to the starting rotation. |
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Post by rizzuto on Dec 5, 2018 19:27:16 GMT -5
It still bothers me that the Yankees let themselves get outbid for Corbin. I mean, if the team is really all in to win next season, why pass on the best pitcher available in the market? Its not like they are waiting on more major league ready guys to come up. The tax ceiling has been met. So now they chase an inferior pitcher like Happ who is, what, 36? What if he wants three years? Ownership and Cash have been saying all off season that pitching is the priority and the team needs two near top of the rotation guys. They pass on Corbin for a sixth year which would put him at what, 35, but are considering Happ who is already 36 and at the minimum will demand two years. Admittedly, I am getting riled up by several articles I've been reading, plus I stayed up all night Singapore time watching the Bush ceremony and have to work.. Thats my bad, but... this smacks of not wanting to spend the money more than anything harking back a couple of seasons ago when they wouldn't go after Verlander. I admit, its easy for me to bitch, its not my money, but I sure hope there is a plan in place to either go after Machado or Harper and there probably is, but even then, why not sign both Corbin and one of the big two? Chuck, I wanted them to get Corbin too. Suppose they modestly topped the Nats offer, which I assume they would have had to do, and went 6/150. That's $25 million a year for a guy who, although good, is by no means a top tier pitcher. It doesn't particularly bother me to spend other people's money, but that still seems excessive. I think in the bidding frenzy, some of these guys get seriously over-valued. Having said that, for sure they still need to get some more effective starting pitching. It also leaves more on the table to go after Harper or Machado. And I don't think a trade for Kluber, although difficult, is completely impossible. It would definitely come at a cost. There is still a lot of things that have to play out. I will join you in disappointment if they don't make at least one more significant addition to the starting rotation. I have a similar mind set, Pipps. And, I think the Yankees should still be shopping for two more starters. The first for me (as it's only someone else's money, like you mentioned) is Eovaldi - only 28 years old, and he's finally learning how to pitch. Heyman wrote that Boston had offered 4/68. Yankees should blow that out of the water ($, not years), which would have him at 32 at the end of the contract. That would give the Yankees five starters and less chance that they would overpay in a trade. |
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Post by noetsi on Dec 5, 2018 19:27:45 GMT -5
They may end up simply using Sonny Grey.
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Post by rizzuto on Dec 5, 2018 19:30:48 GMT -5
They may end up simply using Sonny Grey. Noetsi - go stand in the corner and don't come out until you're ready to apologize.  |
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Post by noetsi on Dec 5, 2018 19:34:23 GMT -5
He would not be the worse #5 pitcher we ever fielded. And we have made no progress so far, or even made a serious offer for anyone since the Paxton deal.
He had an ERA on the road below 2.98. Use him on the road and get El Duque out of the cyro chamber where we stashed him for such an emergency.
I am sure some of Arod's go juice will do the trick.
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Post by chiyankee on Dec 5, 2018 19:35:24 GMT -5
Woa! Didn't see that coming.. Me either. This should be a good pickup for the Cardinals. Goldschmidt is tough. Three straight years missing the post-season has focused their minds. They had a pretty effective tandem at first with Jose Martinez and Matt Carpenter, although both of them play multiple positions. Would one of them now be trade bait? The media is suggesting that Carpenter will move to 3B which makes sense. Martinez is a poor defensive player, so shipping him to the AL would be a strong option. |
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Post by greatfatness on Dec 5, 2018 20:33:56 GMT -5
He would not be the worse #5 pitcher we ever fielded. And we have made no progress so far, or even made a serious offer for anyone since the Paxton deal. He had an ERA on the road below 2.98. Use him on the road and get El Duque out of the cyro chamber where we stashed him for such an emergency. I am sure some of Arod's go juice will do the trick. [ They offered 5 years $100,000,000 for Corbin. Yankees fans are remarkably spoiled when a Yankees fan can suggest with a straight face that offering someone $100,000,000 and $20,000,000 a year is not “a serious offer”. It makes one wonder if those fans could even be baseball fans if they rooted for a team that didn’t spend a shitload of money every year. |
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Post by greatfatness on Dec 5, 2018 20:34:40 GMT -5
They may end up simply using Sonny Grey. Noetsi - go stand in the corner and don't come out until you're ready to apologize. I think Cashman was pretty clear he’s moving Grey. |
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Post by chiyankee on Dec 5, 2018 20:54:04 GMT -5
Noetsi - go stand in the corner and don't come out until you're ready to apologize. [img class="smile" alt=" " src="//storage.proboards.com/6828121/images/ZUcFBGcYsnzelhUHToGH.gif"] I think Cashman was pretty clear he’s moving Grey. Grey to Milwaukee makes a lot of sense. |
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Post by pippsheadache on Dec 5, 2018 21:14:03 GMT -5
I think Cashman was pretty clear he’s moving Grey. Grey to Milwaukee makes a lot of sense. Chi -- since you are sort of in that neck of the woods, has that possibility been raised? And who might the Yankees get in return? It seems at this point, given Cashman's off-season remarks, that it would be rather awkward for Gray to remain with the Yankees. |
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