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Post by noetsi on Jun 7, 2019 20:24:50 GMT -5
Or anything else for that matter  Didn't mean to be too rough on you Noetsi. You're a nice man. Just happened to push my button on a bad night for the Yankees. Not a problem. I am frustrated to. I think Cashman should have gotten Keuchal. Its not like the Yankee can't afford him. They make simply tons of money and seem unwilling to spend it (which is not just my analysis). Maybe the Steinbreners tell him not to spend it. 5-2. Probably does not matter. |
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Post by inger on Jun 7, 2019 20:24:59 GMT -5
Yuck. I had to go out for a while and it looks like things haven’t gone very well... bummer...
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Post by rizzuto on Jun 7, 2019 20:28:10 GMT -5
Personally I think Cashman's history of obtaining elite players in the season is not awesome. He will take a salary dump type deal but not trade real talent for them. When is the last time he traded an elite prospect for anyone? Given the Yankee salary to revenue ratio I think he should have gotten Keuchel - unless he is not serious about pursuing a WS. Which he might not be - money is a good thing. Oh yea Cashman's trade history is terrible. He's only acquired Didi Gregorius, Domingo German, Aaron Hicks, Chad Green, Gleyber Torres, Clint Frazier, Tommy Kahnle, Zack Britton, J.A. Happ, Luke Voit, Gio Urshela, James Paxton, and Giancarlo Stanton via trade.
I agree with you on Keuchel.
Definitely agree. The Yankees have taken frugality to an unprecedented - for them - degree. Keuchel was the best pitcher available and would only have cost dollars, not prospects. And, for only one half a year. Apologists will laud the discipline of not offering 1.3 million more, but I am not a Yankees’ fan because I enjoy their business model or fiscal restraint. This could be the first decade that the Yankees do not appear in a World Series. But, hey, we don’t outspend everyone anymore, so we have that to root for. Who wants to buy a tee shirt with that as a logo? |
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Post by noetsi on Jun 7, 2019 20:28:21 GMT -5
Tampa probably going to win so we will be tied in the lost column if we don't score enough here...which is sort of unlikely.
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Post by chiyankee on Jun 7, 2019 20:28:47 GMT -5
Didn't mean to be too rough on you Noetsi. You're a nice man. Just happened to push my button on a bad night for the Yankees. Not a problem. I am frustrated to. I think Cashman should have gotten Keuchal. Its not like the Yankee can't afford him. They make simply tons of money and seem unwilling to spend it (which is not just my analysis). Maybe the Steinbreners tell him not to spend it. 5-2. Probably does not matter. I don't think Cashman liked the uncertainly of when Keuchal could pitch. He hasn't played since last season and it's not like he's going to step right into the Braves rotation. |
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Post by noetsi on Jun 7, 2019 20:30:07 GMT -5
Oh yea Cashman's trade history is terrible. He's only acquired Didi Gregorius, Domingo German, Aaron Hicks, Chad Green, Gleyber Torres, Clint Frazier, Tommy Kahnle, Zack Britton, J.A. Happ, Luke Voit, Gio Urshela, James Paxton, and Giancarlo Stanton via trade.
I agree with you on Keuchel.
Definitely agree. The Yankees have taken frugality to an unprecedented - for them - degree. Keuchel was the best pitcher available and would only have cost dollars, not prospects. And, for only one half a year. Apologists will laud the discipline of not offering 1.3 million more, but I am not a Yankees’ fan because I enjoy their business model or fiscal restraint. This could be the first decade that the Yankees do not appear in a World Series. But, hey, we don’t outspend everyone anymore, so we have that to root for. Who wants to buy a tee shirt with that as a logo? Its possible that the Steinbrenner family are pushing Cashman not to spend (although this is the same group that spent a fortune to resign Arod so I am not sure about that logic). |
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Post by pippsheadache on Jun 7, 2019 20:30:13 GMT -5
Didn't mean to be too rough on you Noetsi. You're a nice man. Just happened to push my button on a bad night for the Yankees. Not a problem. I am frustrated to. I think Cashman should have gotten Keuchal. Its not like the Yankee can't afford him. They make simply tons of money and seem unwilling to spend it (which is not just my analysis). Maybe the Steinbreners tell him not to spend it. 5-2. Probably does not matter. I would have been okay with the Yankees getting Keuchel, although I am not heartbroken that they didn't. There will be better options via trade moving ahead, especially if teams like the Nationals and Indians are selling off come July. Bumgarner still a possibility. Probably many others. |
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Post by noetsi on Jun 7, 2019 20:33:16 GMT -5
He has to be willing to make those trades pipps. I am not convinced he will.
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Post by noetsi on Jun 7, 2019 20:35:13 GMT -5
Rough set of games. Our division lead goes away. Can't do much about a thin pitching staff, but we have better choices in hitters which we are not taking. Morales simply needs to go.
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Post by pippsheadache on Jun 7, 2019 20:38:13 GMT -5
He has to be willing to make those trades pipps. I am not convinced he will. While I don't think he will make a trade just to make one, I do think he understands that the Yanks are in a narrow window in which they are serious contenders for a ring. I will be surprised if he doesn't get a name brand pitcher, unless Severino is back and pitching effectively. |
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Post by rizzuto on Jun 7, 2019 20:40:56 GMT -5
Definitely agree. The Yankees have taken frugality to an unprecedented - for them - degree. Keuchel was the best pitcher available and would only have cost dollars, not prospects. And, for only one half a year. Apologists will laud the discipline of not offering 1.3 million more, but I am not a Yankees’ fan because I enjoy their business model or fiscal restraint. This could be the first decade that the Yankees do not appear in a World Series. But, hey, we don’t outspend everyone anymore, so we have that to root for. Who wants to buy a tee shirt with that as a logo? Its possible that the Steinbrenner family are pushing Cashman not to spend (although this is the same group that spent a fortune to resign Arod so I am not sure about that logic). Whomever wields ultimate responsibility is a distinction without a difference. |
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Post by kaybli on Jun 7, 2019 20:44:21 GMT -5
Why is during the season better than off season? That's a strange standard. Plus a lot of the guys Kaybli and I named were mid-season pickups. Maybe you thought Voit wasn't a very good acquisition last year. I think you make a lot of statements just to get a reaction. I think we have made very few trades to get elite established players in the regular season. We will have to disagree on this point. Zach Britton, JA Happ, Luke Voit, Andrew McCutchen, Todd Frazier, Tommy Kahnle, David Robertson, Sonny Gray, Chase Headley, Martin Prado, Alfonso Soriano, Ichiro Suzuki, Kerry Wood, Lance Berkman, Bobby Abreu, Ivan Rodriguez, Aaron Boone, Jeff Weaver, David Justice, Jim Leyritz were all mid season pickups.
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Post by noetsi on Jun 7, 2019 21:05:31 GMT -5
I stand corrected. I still don't think cashman will trade for good pitchers. I will hopefully be wrong.
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Post by noetsi on Jun 7, 2019 21:07:19 GMT -5
He has to be willing to make those trades pipps. I am not convinced he will. While I don't think he will make a trade just to make one, I do think he understands that the Yanks are in a narrow window in which they are serious contenders for a ring. I will be surprised if he doesn't get a name brand pitcher, unless Severino is back and pitching effectively. I don't think Severino will change this team around - we have lots of holes in the pitching staff. Put another way Severino is not going to make this staff WS capable (I am not a great fan of his play off ability). |
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Post by kaybli on Jun 7, 2019 21:10:15 GMT -5
I stand corrected. I still don't think cashman will trade for good pitchers. I will hopefully be wrong. Well I have to thank you, noetsi. In looking back through all the years of midseason trades on Baseball Reference during the Cashman era, I forgot to get mad at tonight's loss! A nice diversion!  |
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