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Post by pippsheadache on Sept 12, 2024 12:33:34 GMT -5
Barry White would have been 80 today. I recently heard for the first time his version of Billy Joel’s “Just the Way You Are” on you tube. Not bad… Yeah,Barry White was only 58 when he died. Of course he was 150 pounds overweight and smoked seven packs of cigarettes a day, so maybe there was a connection. Barry White actually did some arrangements and keyboard work for The Bobby Fuller Four -- seems like an exotic combination -- although not on "I Fought The Law." |
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Post by azbob643 on Sept 12, 2024 12:36:51 GMT -5
Barry White actually did some arrangements and keyboard work for The Bobby Fuller Four -- seems like an exotic combination -- although not on "I Fought The Law." Even weirder IMO was Neil Young with Rick James & "The Myna Birds". |
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Post by pippsheadache on Sept 12, 2024 12:38:51 GMT -5
Barry White actually did some arrangements and keyboard work for The Bobby Fuller Four -- seems like an exotic combination -- although not on "I Fought The Law." Even weirder IMO was Neil Young with Rick James & "The Myna Birds". Yeah, two worlds you wouldn't expect to overlap. I would have loved to have heard a discussion between Neil Young and Rick James. |
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Post by chiyankee on Sept 12, 2024 12:53:42 GMT -5
Barry White actually did some arrangements and keyboard work for The Bobby Fuller Four -- seems like an exotic combination -- although not on "I Fought The Law." Even weirder IMO was Neil Young with Rick James & "The Myna Birds". I don't know a lot of details about this band, but I think their demise was James getting arrested and deported back to the United States. |
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Post by azbob643 on Sept 12, 2024 13:04:24 GMT -5
Even weirder IMO was Neil Young with Rick James & "The Myna Birds". I don't know a lot of details about this band, but I think their demise was James getting arrested and deported back to the United States. I know James was arrested and did some time in a Toronto jail...don't know the details. Kinda the opposite of what led the "Lovin' Spoonful" to let Zal Yanofsky, a Canadian citizen, go. Arrested on marijuana changes, he headed back to Canada rather than face prosecution. |
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Post by pippsheadache on Sept 12, 2024 13:58:27 GMT -5
I don't know a lot of details about this band, but I think their demise was James getting arrested and deported back to the United States. I know James was arrested and did some time in a Toronto jail...don't know the details. Kinda the opposite of what led the "Lovin' Spoonful" to let Zal Yanofsky, a Canadian citizen, go. Arrested on marijuana changes, he headed back to Canada rather than face prosecution. The charges against Rick James were pretty gruesome. Basically hostage-taking and forced sexual acts and outright torture of a young woman. There didn't seem to be much gray area. The story I heard about Zal was that he was busted on a marijuana charge but avoided prosecution by providing the name of his supplier and the names of other users. There was backlash against the Spoonful because of that. He either left on his own or was forced out. He returned to his native Canada and opened a celebrated high-end restaurant in Kingston Ontario. The restaurant was called Chez Piggy (I believe it may still be there.) When we lived in Syracuse it was an easy daytrip to Kingston. My wife and I went to Chez Piggy twice and it was seriously good. We never saw Zal (we were told he did come in fairly regularly because he was a genuine foodie) but we did talk to his daughter Zoe, who was essentially running the place at that time. I loved the Spoonful and Zal was key to their success. He was replaced in the band by Jerry Yester, whose brother Jim was a major part of The Association. The Spoonful had a few minor hits (albeit good songs like "Six O'clock" and "She's Still A Mystery To Me") after Zal left, but they had pretty much run their course and it was time for "Welcome Back Kotter." |
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Post by azbob643 on Sept 12, 2024 14:07:16 GMT -5
The story I heard about Zal was that he was busted on a marijuana charge but avoided prosecution by providing the name of his supplier and the names of other users. There was backlash against the Spoonful because of that. He either left on his own or was forced out. He returned to his native Canada and opened a celebrated high-end restaurant in Kingston Ontario. I loved the Spoonful and Zal was key to their success. He was replaced in the band by Jerry Yester, whose brother Jim was a major part of The Association. The Spoonful had a few minor hits (albeit good songs like "Six O'clock" and "She's Still A Mystery To Me") after Zal left, but they had pretty much run their course and it was time for "Welcome Back Kotter." Yeah...I'd heard that version of how Zal came to leave Spoonful also. I recently watched a documentary on the making of "Disraeli Gears" in which Clapton cites Zal as an influence, and admired his guitar playing which, frankly, I found surprising. I didn't see anything special there...guess that shows how much I know. As for Spoonful/John Sebastian...one of my favorites of his was "Darlin' Be Home Soon". |
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Post by chiyankee on Sept 12, 2024 14:35:59 GMT -5
I don't know a lot of details about this band, but I think their demise was James getting arrested and deported back to the United States. I know James was arrested and did some time in a Toronto jail...don't know the details. Kinda the opposite of what led the "Lovin' Spoonful" to let Zal Yanofsky, a Canadian citizen, go. Arrested on marijuana changes, he headed back to Canada rather than face prosecution. Bruce Palmer, who also was in the Mynah Birds and later in Buffalo Springfield with Neil Young, was also busted a couple times for marijuana while with the Springfield and deported back to Canada. While he was unavailable, the band needed a new bassist so the recruited Jim Messina, who would later go on to have success as a duo with Kenny Loggins. |
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Post by azbob643 on Sept 12, 2024 14:49:37 GMT -5
I know James was arrested and did some time in a Toronto jail...don't know the details. Kinda the opposite of what led the "Lovin' Spoonful" to let Zal Yanofsky, a Canadian citizen, go. Arrested on marijuana changes, he headed back to Canada rather than face prosecution. Bruce Palmer, who also was in the Mynah Birds and later in Buffalo Springfield with Neil Young, was also busted a couple times for marijuana while with the Springfield and deported back to Canada. While he was unavailable, the band needed a new bassist so the recruited Jim Messina, who would later go on to have success as a duo with Kenny Loggins. As I recall, Messina was literally "sitting in" as a studio musician on Loggins' first album. His contribution was substantial, which is how they became a short-lived duo & hence the album name. I also understand there was no love lost between the two. |
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Post by chiyankee on Sept 12, 2024 14:58:17 GMT -5
Bruce Palmer, who also was in the Mynah Birds and later in Buffalo Springfield with Neil Young, was also busted a couple times for marijuana while with the Springfield and deported back to Canada. While he was unavailable, the band needed a new bassist so the recruited Jim Messina, who would later go on to have success as a duo with Kenny Loggins. As I recall, Messina was literally "sitting in" as a studio musician on Loggins' first album. His contribution was substantial, which is how they became a short-lived duo & hence the album name. I also understand there was no love lost between the two. I like their song "Angry Eyes". My wife was always a big fan of "Danny's Song". music.youtube.com/watch?v=E3r6H9ghsSg |
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Post by pippsheadache on Sept 12, 2024 16:13:12 GMT -5
The story I heard about Zal was that he was busted on a marijuana charge but avoided prosecution by providing the name of his supplier and the names of other users. There was backlash against the Spoonful because of that. He either left on his own or was forced out. He returned to his native Canada and opened a celebrated high-end restaurant in Kingston Ontario. I loved the Spoonful and Zal was key to their success. He was replaced in the band by Jerry Yester, whose brother Jim was a major part of The Association. The Spoonful had a few minor hits (albeit good songs like "Six O'clock" and "She's Still A Mystery To Me") after Zal left, but they had pretty much run their course and it was time for "Welcome Back Kotter." Yeah...I'd heard that version of how Zal came to leave Spoonful also. I recently watched a documentary on the making of "Disraeli Gears" in which Clapton cites Zal as an influence, and admired his guitar playing which, frankly, I found surprising. I didn't see anything special there...guess that shows how much I know. As for Spoonful/John Sebastian...one of my favorites of his was "Darlin' Be Home Soon". We are of like mind on "Darlin' Be Home Soon." Senior year of high school for me. I can still picture them doing this on "The Ed Sullivan Show" with the orchestra backing them up. I would wager that you saw that too. Another I really liked from the fall of 66 was "Rain On The Roof." A nice dreamy romantic song with a sweet finger-picking guitar accompaniment. I liked them from the get-go, their first hits "Do You Believe In Magic" and "You Didn't Have To Be So Nice" on through "Summer In The City" and "Nashville Cats." Even album cuts like the very funny "Four Eyes" and "Younger Girl", which The Critters turned into a big hit. It's funny, you don't know what influences some of even the top musicians. Bob Dylan was a big fan of Bobby Vee -- go figure -- and later in life appeared on stage with him for a few songs. James Brown and Jan and Dean had a mutual admiration society and periodically showed up at each other's concerts. I'm glad stuff like that happens, even though it seems a bit incongruous. |
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Post by pippsheadache on Sept 12, 2024 16:23:03 GMT -5
I know James was arrested and did some time in a Toronto jail...don't know the details. Kinda the opposite of what led the "Lovin' Spoonful" to let Zal Yanofsky, a Canadian citizen, go. Arrested on marijuana changes, he headed back to Canada rather than face prosecution. Bruce Palmer, who also was in the Mynah Birds and later in Buffalo Springfield with Neil Young, was also busted a couple times for marijuana while with the Springfield and deported back to Canada. While he was unavailable, the band needed a new bassist so the recruited Jim Messina, who would later go on to have success as a duo with Kenny Loggins. I love your Springfield knowledge Chi, even though they recorded before you were born. "For What It's Worth" was another one from my senior year in high school. It was considered very edgy and cryptic. One of my favorite Neil Young songs is "Mr. Soul" from that era. His singing style wasn't quite so stylized as it became later. |
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Post by azbob643 on Sept 12, 2024 16:25:02 GMT -5
It's funny, you don't know what influences some of even the top musicians. Bob Dylan was a big fan of Bobby Vee -- go figure -- and later in life appeared on stage with him for a few songs. I loved Bobby Vee...have his "Greatest Hits" album. The connection for him & Dylan probably had a lot to do with them both being Minnesotans. |
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Post by chiyankee on Sept 12, 2024 16:29:50 GMT -5
Bruce Palmer, who also was in the Mynah Birds and later in Buffalo Springfield with Neil Young, was also busted a couple times for marijuana while with the Springfield and deported back to Canada. While he was unavailable, the band needed a new bassist so the recruited Jim Messina, who would later go on to have success as a duo with Kenny Loggins. I love your Springfield knowledge Chi, even though they recorded before you were born. "For What It's Worth" was another one from my senior year in high school. It was considered very edgy and cryptic. One of my favorite Neil Young songs is "Mr. Soul" from that era. His singing style wasn't quite so stylized as it became later. Thanks Pipps. I think the last 60 until the end of 70's was the greatest era for rock music, although that's just one guy's opinion. Mr. Soul is a great song, especially the guitar parts. Back in those Neil wasn't completely confident in his voice, so Rich Furay sand some of the Springfield songs that Neil wrote. |
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Post by azbob643 on Sept 12, 2024 16:31:28 GMT -5
One of my favorite Neil Young songs is "Mr. Soul" from that era. His singing style wasn't quite so stylized as it became later. Later..."Harvest Moon"... www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2MtEsrcTTsYoung is also a big fan of Ian Tyson... |
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