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Post by anthonyd46 on Jun 24, 2021 0:36:30 GMT -5
Red Sox Lost so Yankees are 4 behind them in loss 3 behind Rays in loss. Somehow the gap has shrunk, even if ever so slightly… It was 9 last monday |
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Post by kaybli on Jun 24, 2021 13:02:08 GMT -5
Fair enough. But if you can't trust Chapman not to walk Rivero how do you trust him to pitch to the dangerous Santana? Pick your poison. It’s not that you “can’t trust Chapman not to walk Rivero.” And, Santana is a .245 hitter, and was 1 for 12 against Chapman in his career. It wasn’t Ted Williams or Mike Trout they walked. More importantly, you have to pay attention to your players and the context of the situation. There were 16 base on balls in this game. Chapman has not had great command recently. Is Chapman more apt to get in trouble if he falls behind with the bases loaded or with a base open? Cone knew it. So did I. On further review, you're probably right. The way it was handled was weird. I didn't realize that Chapman told Boone that he preferred to face Santana. And then Boone said okay but then changed his mind later in the dugout. That's what pissed Chapman off and probably threw off his pitching too. Boone even admitted his mistake later. But all's well that ends well. |
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Post by rizzuto on Jun 24, 2021 17:12:44 GMT -5
It’s not that you “can’t trust Chapman not to walk Rivero.” And, Santana is a .245 hitter, and was 1 for 12 against Chapman in his career. It wasn’t Ted Williams or Mike Trout they walked. More importantly, you have to pay attention to your players and the context of the situation. There were 16 base on balls in this game. Chapman has not had great command recently. Is Chapman more apt to get in trouble if he falls behind with the bases loaded or with a base open? Cone knew it. So did I. On further review, you're probably right. The way it was handled was weird. I didn't realize that Chapman told Boone that he preferred to face Santana. And then Boone said okay but then changed his mind later in the dugout. That's what pissed Chapman off and probably threw off his pitching too. Boone even admitted his mistake later. But all's well that ends well. Boone gets his pitcher’s input. They agree. It’s a plan. Chapman gears up to face Santana, who he’s faced before and dominated. He steps on the rubber, gets the sign. Then, Sanchez raises his hands for time, stands up, and Boone totally reverses everything the entire infield and Chapman have discussed. If I’m Chapman, I’m thinking, “Why the hell come and talk to me then?” Why waste my time and energy? And, you’re going to load the bases on me? Ive just thrown two fastballs in the dirt, two sliders in the dirt, and I’ve been missing my spots with all my pitches. What the hell? Just signal from the dugout, then. Why let me get cold, get fixed on what I want to do, and then pull the rug out from under me, leaving me with zero room for error? Boone infuriates me. |
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Post by inger on Jun 24, 2021 19:17:14 GMT -5
On further review, you're probably right. The way it was handled was weird. I didn't realize that Chapman told Boone that he preferred to face Santana. And then Boone said okay but then changed his mind later in the dugout. That's what pissed Chapman off and probably threw off his pitching too. Boone even admitted his mistake later. But all's well that ends well. Boone gets his pitcher’s input. They agree. It’s a plan. Chapman gears up to face Santana, who he’s faced before and dominated. He steps on the rubber, gets the sign. Then, Sanchez raises his hands for time, stands up, and Boone totally reverses everything the entire infield and Chapman have discussed. If I’m Chapman, I’m thinking, “Why the hell come and talk to me then?” Why waste my time and energy? And, you’re going to load the bases on me? Ive just thrown two fastballs in the dirt, two sliders in the dirt, and I’ve been missing my spots with all my pitches. What the hell? Just signal from the dugout, then. Why let me get cold, get fixed on what I want to do, and then pull the rug out from under me, leaving me with zero room for error? Boone infuriates me. I hear you, but I have some sobering numbers here. Since July 10, Chapman is 1-2 with 4 saves aves a 2 blown saves in his 7 appearances. He’s worked 5.1 innings and 7 of the 8 runs he’s allowed have earned for a scary 11.81 ERA. He’s been raked for 12 hits, 9 singles, a double, 2 HR. His BABIP against is .556, and the slash against is .462/.548./.731. He’s fanned 6 and walked 5. Yes. Boone should have just made a decision, whatever that decision was. I don’t know if there actually was a right decision. Something is not right with Aroldis. He’s still hitting 101 and even the occasional 103 on the gun. He’s hanging a bunch of sliders. It’s either something in his mechanics, in his brain, or he’s just been very unlucky on some grounders and flares. I’m glad Britton is back. We may need him more than we know… |
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Post by rizzuto on Jun 24, 2021 20:00:22 GMT -5
Boone gets his pitcher’s input. They agree. It’s a plan. Chapman gears up to face Santana, who he’s faced before and dominated. He steps on the rubber, gets the sign. Then, Sanchez raises his hands for time, stands up, and Boone totally reverses everything the entire infield and Chapman have discussed. If I’m Chapman, I’m thinking, “Why the hell come and talk to me then?” Why waste my time and energy? And, you’re going to load the bases on me? Ive just thrown two fastballs in the dirt, two sliders in the dirt, and I’ve been missing my spots with all my pitches. What the hell? Just signal from the dugout, then. Why let me get cold, get fixed on what I want to do, and then pull the rug out from under me, leaving me with zero room for error? Boone infuriates me. I hear you, but I have some sobering numbers here. Since July 10, Chapman is 1-2 with 4 saves aves a 2 blown saves in his 7 appearances. He’s worked 5.1 innings and 7 of the 8 runs he’s allowed have earned for a scary 11.81 ERA. He’s been raked for 12 hits, 9 singles, a double, 2 HR. His BABIP against is .556, and the slash against is .462/.548./.731. He’s fanned 6 and walked 5. Yes. Boone should have just made a decision, whatever that decision was. I don’t know if there actually was a right decision. Something is not right with Aroldis. He’s still hitting 101 and even the occasional 103 on the gun. He’s hanging a bunch of sliders. It’s either something in his mechanics, in his brain, or he’s just been very unlucky on some grounders and flares. I’m glad Britton is back. We may need him more than we know… That is a bit misleading. In one appearance, on July 10, he gave up four runs on four hits without recording an out. For the entire rest of the season, he’s only given up four runs and two of them were last night, on a walk and a check swing infield single. The more important statistic, is that he’s walked five batters in the last three appearances. He’s been struggling with his arm slot and command of all his pitches for the last week, but Boone decides to load the bases on him, when he had just thrown four pitches in the dirt, the previous two batters, and had just discussed with his pitcher and the entire infield that they would pitch to Santana. Then, with Chapman on the rubber, receiving the signs for the pitch, Boone just decides to reverse the decision from the dugout. Inexcusable. |
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Post by inger on Jun 24, 2021 20:09:54 GMT -5
I hear you, but I have some sobering numbers here. Since July 10, Chapman is 1-2 with 4 saves aves a 2 blown saves in his 7 appearances. He’s worked 5.1 innings and 7 of the 8 runs he’s allowed have earned for a scary 11.81 ERA. He’s been raked for 12 hits, 9 singles, a double, 2 HR. His BABIP against is .556, and the slash against is .462/.548./.731. He’s fanned 6 and walked 5. Yes. Boone should have just made a decision, whatever that decision was. I don’t know if there actually was a right decision. Something is not right with Aroldis. He’s still hitting 101 and even the occasional 103 on the gun. He’s hanging a bunch of sliders. It’s either something in his mechanics, in his brain, or he’s just been very unlucky on some grounders and flares. I’m glad Britton is back. We may need him more than we know… That is a bit misleading. In one appearance, on July 10, he gave up four runs on four hits without recording an out. For the entire rest of the season, he’s only given up four runs and two of them were last night, on a walk and a check swing infield single. The more important statistic, is that he’s walked five batters in the last three appearances. He’s been struggling with his arm slot and command of all his pitches for the last week, but Boone decides to load the bases on him, when he had just thrown four pitches in the dirt, the previous two batters, and had just discussed with his pitcher and the entire infield that they would pitch to Santana. Then, with Chapman on the rubber, receiving the signs for the pitch, Boone just decides to reverse the decision from the dugout. Inexcusable. Not misleading at all. Truth, every bit of it. If you want to take that game away, he’s still been struggling ever since then. I will say he’s been victimized somewhat by a few bloopers and bleeders, but this is a pitcher who is usually hard to make contact against. Yes. A great season. But something is wrong, be that his arm slot or whatever, he’s scary right now… |
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Post by rizzuto on Jun 24, 2021 20:49:33 GMT -5
That is a bit misleading. In one appearance, on July 10, he gave up four runs on four hits without recording an out. For the entire rest of the season, he’s only given up four runs and two of them were last night, on a walk and a check swing infield single. The more important statistic, is that he’s walked five batters in the last three appearances. He’s been struggling with his arm slot and command of all his pitches for the last week, but Boone decides to load the bases on him, when he had just thrown four pitches in the dirt, the previous two batters, and had just discussed with his pitcher and the entire infield that they would pitch to Santana. Then, with Chapman on the rubber, receiving the signs for the pitch, Boone just decides to reverse the decision from the dugout. Inexcusable. Not misleading at all. Truth, every bit of it. If you want to take that game away, he’s still been struggling ever since then. I will say he’s been victimized somewhat by a few bloopers and bleeders, but this is a pitcher who is usually hard to make contact against. Yes. A great season. But something is wrong, be that his arm slot or whatever, he’s scary right now… It’s self-evident that by starting on July 10, it skews the numbers of a mere two-week sample. Chapman has given up eight earned runs on the season, but four were that single outing in which he didn’t record an out. He’s given up three home runs, but two of them were July 10th. That’s absolutely misleading if you do not draw attention to that date conditionally and simply list an ERA of nearly twelve and a slash line. |
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Post by inger on Jun 24, 2021 22:01:20 GMT -5
Not misleading at all. Truth, every bit of it. If you want to take that game away, he’s still been struggling ever since then. I will say he’s been victimized somewhat by a few bloopers and bleeders, but this is a pitcher who is usually hard to make contact against. Yes. A great season. But something is wrong, be that his arm slot or whatever, he’s scary right now… It’s self-evident that by starting on July 10, it skews the numbers of a mere two-week sample. Chapman has given up eight earned runs on the season, but four were that single outing in which he didn’t record an out. He’s given up three home runs, but two of them were July 10th. That’s absolutely misleading if you do not draw attention to that date conditionally and simply list an ERA of nearly twelve and a slash line. But my INTENT was to show that his RECENT performance has been bad. I didn’t try to hide that. My concern is basically a “what’s wrong?” Sort of concern, as well as to offer some reason that Boone may have had caution to trust him at that moment. I watched that mess against the Twins and wish I could erase it. But, for the fun of it, if you take that game away you still have a line of 5.1 innings with 3 of 4 runs earned, 7 hits, 6K, 5 BB. Even that would not be good for Chappie. There is no intention to make the rest of the season look bad, nor his career… |
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Post by BillyBones on Jun 24, 2021 22:09:56 GMT -5
On further review, you're probably right. The way it was handled was weird. I didn't realize that Chapman told Boone that he preferred to face Santana. And then Boone said okay but then changed his mind later in the dugout. That's what pissed Chapman off and probably threw off his pitching too. Boone even admitted his mistake later. But all's well that ends well. Boone gets his pitcher’s input. They agree. It’s a plan. Chapman gears up to face Santana, who he’s faced before and dominated. He steps on the rubber, gets the sign. Then, Sanchez raises his hands for time, stands up, and Boone totally reverses everything the entire infield and Chapman have discussed. If I’m Chapman, I’m thinking, “Why the hell come and talk to me then?” Why waste my time and energy? And, you’re going to load the bases on me? Ive just thrown two fastballs in the dirt, two sliders in the dirt, and I’ve been missing my spots with all my pitches. What the hell? Just signal from the dugout, then. Why let me get cold, get fixed on what I want to do, and then pull the rug out from under me, leaving me with zero room for error? Boone infuriates me. ******************** It was a total snafu on Boone's part, to my way of thinking. I could see pitching carefully to Santana, but to just give him a free pass to load the bases, was not smart baseball. Yes, it could have worked out. No, it did not. Santana, of course knew that a guy was hitting next who had never had a ML hit. You think Santana might have expanded his strike zone a bit for that reason, and other reasons? If Chapman nibbled to see if Santana would get himself out, he may have walked him. In which case the non-hitter would have come up with the bases loaded, but that would certainly be better baseball management. Chapman would be feeling better, the rookie would have a pressure situation to deal with. Sure, something could still have gone wrong, but the managers job should be to put his team in the best place to win. Boone failed that last night. |
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Post by inger on Jun 24, 2021 22:24:48 GMT -5
I think it all happened because Santana cracked his neck before stepping in to hit… 😂
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Post by rizzuto on Jun 24, 2021 23:25:38 GMT -5
It’s self-evident that by starting on July 10, it skews the numbers of a mere two-week sample. Chapman has given up eight earned runs on the season, but four were that single outing in which he didn’t record an out. He’s given up three home runs, but two of them were July 10th. That’s absolutely misleading if you do not draw attention to that date conditionally and simply list an ERA of nearly twelve and a slash line. But my INTENT was to show that his RECENT performance has been bad. I didn’t try to hide that. My concern is basically a “what’s wrong?” Sort of concern, as well as to offer some reason that Boone may have had caution to trust him at that moment. I watched that mess against the Twins and wish I could erase it. But, for the fun of it, if you take that game away you still have a line of 5.1 innings with 3 of 4 runs earned, 7 hits, 6K, 5 BB. Even that would not be good for Chappie. There is no intention to make the rest of the season look bad, nor his career… All I said was that the numbers as posted were “a bit misleading,” and provided an explanation. You replied they weren’t “misleading at all” with no explanation as to why the numbers you posted were perfectly representative. I also wrote, “The more important statistic is that he’s walked five batters in the last three appearances,” which led to three of the four runs he’s allowed on the season with the exception of July 10. If you believe that the .731 slugging percentage you posted is perfectly representative of how Chapman is pitching, I’m willing to listen, but most of that number was accrued in a single appearance on July 10. You even stated that he’s been unlucky with “bloopers and bleeders,” which just makes my point about the slash line being misleading. That’s the problem with a small sample size, which includes one aberrant outing. In his last two appearances, Chapman has given up three hits: a single, a bloop double to the opposite field, and a check swing infield single. |
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Post by inger on Jun 24, 2021 23:35:26 GMT -5
But my INTENT was to show that his RECENT performance has been bad. I didn’t try to hide that. My concern is basically a “what’s wrong?” Sort of concern, as well as to offer some reason that Boone may have had caution to trust him at that moment. I watched that mess against the Twins and wish I could erase it. But, for the fun of it, if you take that game away you still have a line of 5.1 innings with 3 of 4 runs earned, 7 hits, 6K, 5 BB. Even that would not be good for Chappie. There is no intention to make the rest of the season look bad, nor his career… All I said was that the numbers as posted were “a bit misleading,” and provided an explanation. You replied they weren’t “misleading at all” with no explanation as to why the numbers you posted were perfectly representative. I also wrote, “The more important statistic is that he’s walked five batters in the last three appearances,” which led to three of the four runs he’s allowed on the season with the exception of July 10. If you believe that the .731 slugging percentage you posted is perfectly representative of how Chapman is pitching, I’m willing to listen, but most of that number was accrued in a single appearance on July 10. You even stated that he’s been unlucky with “bloopers and bleeders,” which just makes my point about the slash line being misleading. That’s the problem with a small sample size, which includes one aberrant outing. In his last two appearances, Chapman has given up three hits: a single, a bloop double to the opposite field, and a check swing infield single. We obviously have a different way of viewing his “recent” performance. Each is entitled to that view… |
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Post by rizzuto on Jun 24, 2021 23:59:29 GMT -5
All I said was that the numbers as posted were “a bit misleading,” and provided an explanation. You replied they weren’t “misleading at all” with no explanation as to why the numbers you posted were perfectly representative. I also wrote, “The more important statistic is that he’s walked five batters in the last three appearances,” which led to three of the four runs he’s allowed on the season with the exception of July 10. If you believe that the .731 slugging percentage you posted is perfectly representative of how Chapman is pitching, I’m willing to listen, but most of that number was accrued in a single appearance on July 10. You even stated that he’s been unlucky with “bloopers and bleeders,” which just makes my point about the slash line being misleading. That’s the problem with a small sample size, which includes one aberrant outing. In his last two appearances, Chapman has given up three hits: a single, a bloop double to the opposite field, and a check swing infield single. We obviously have a different way of viewing his “recent” performance. Each is entitled to that view… So, you believe the .731 Slugging Percentage is perfectly representative of how Chapman has pitched recently, rather than the 5 walks in his last three appearances? |
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Post by kaybli on Jun 25, 2021 0:05:03 GMT -5
One further point. No matter how Boone screwed things up, I didn't like the way Chapman handled it, showing up his manager by throwing a fit on the mound and in the dugout. He definitely has some anger issues.
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Post by rizzuto on Jun 25, 2021 0:08:51 GMT -5
One further point. No matter how Boone screwed things up, I didn't like the way Chapman handled it, showing up his manager by throwing a fit on the mound and in the dugout. He definitely has some anger issues. How did he throw a fit? And, how did that show up Boone? Players throw their gloves, helmets, etc. and emote all the time. Why is it different because it was Chapman? |
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