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Post by kaybli on Sept 5, 2021 21:48:25 GMT -5
Not another one. Can’t anyone play this game without going the IL during the season? The history of the DL/IL is rather interesting. Although there was a rudimentary form of the DL as far back as 1915, it wasn't until 1941 that anything resembling what we have now came into being. At that point, teams were limited to two players at a time on the DL, and it had to be for 60 days. So you had to be seriously injured. This was lowered to 30 days in 1950, but still only two players at a time. If more than two were hurt, you either played short-handed while they recovered, cut them, or have them play through it. In 1966, the 15-day DL was introduced. Somewhere in that time frame, a three-tier system was established. A team was allowed to have two players on the 15-day DL, only one of which could be a pitcher; three players on the 21-day DL; and two players on the 30-day DL. It seems hard to believe now, but this system was in effect until August 1990. At that point limits on the number of players were dropped. Even though it's obvious just from personal memory, players simply did not go on the IL nearly as often even a generation ago. It would have been physically impossible to field a major league team under the old rules if players were injured as frequently as they are today. Imagine today's Yankees-- or any team for that matter-- trying to function under the system in effect when Mattingly and Winfield and Henderson were playing. Let alone the system when Mantle, Ford, Berra et al were active. Thanks pipps! Great history lesson!
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Post by inger on Sept 5, 2021 22:45:13 GMT -5
Regarding the change in the DL/IL rules: I wonder what Mickey Mantles history would look like if the intellect of today was used in his years? He might have been forced to exist as a glass man…
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Post by chiyankee on Sept 5, 2021 22:55:56 GMT -5
Regarding the change in the DL/IL rules: I wonder what Mickey Mantles history would look like if the intellect of today was used in his years? He might have been forced to exist as a glass man… He might have been able to get his ACL fixed.
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Post by anthonyd46 on Sept 6, 2021 0:32:08 GMT -5
Playoff implications: Toronto won 8-0 Seattle won 10-4 A's lost 8-0 Rays lost 6-5 Red sox lost 11-5 So that puts it at: Rays 51 losses (7-9 Season series, 3 left) Astros 57 losses * Yankees 58 losses White Sox 58 losses * Red Sox 60 losses + Seattle 62 losses * Toronto 62 losses (6-6 season series, 7 left) A's 63 losses * *= Yankees have clinched season series vs these teams + = Yankees cannot win season series vs these teams Seattle now passes the A's for the top of the non WC teams and the Yankees have the tiebreaker on them so they are tech 5 losses up not 4. There are 26 games left. Even with the 2-6 record in the last week the Yankees still have a pretty good chance of finishing with the second best record in the AL. However, they only need to make up 4 games before that Rays series to have a shot at the division. Magic # for a playoff spot:
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Post by chiyankee on Sept 6, 2021 9:21:19 GMT -5
Does Boone really believe this? The guy has ERA over 7+.
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Post by desousa on Sept 6, 2021 9:26:11 GMT -5
Does Boone really believe this? The guy has ERA over 7+. May be to the worst manager in baseball. Why was Heaney in with a three run lead and heart of the order up. Should have been Green. Boone going by inning, not situation. How many games has Boone lost this year? Cashman should share the blame for having Heaney on the roster.
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Post by rizzuto on Sept 6, 2021 10:24:56 GMT -5
Playoff implications: Toronto won 8-0 Seattle won 10-4 A's lost 8-0 Rays lost 6-5 Red sox lost 11-5 So that puts it at: Rays 51 losses (7-9 Season series, 3 left) Astros 57 losses * Yankees 58 losses White Sox 58 losses * Red Sox 60 losses + Seattle 62 losses * Toronto 62 losses (6-6 season series, 7 left) A's 63 losses * *= Yankees have clinched season series vs these teams + = Yankees cannot win season series vs these teams Seattle now passes the A's for the top of the non WC teams and the Yankees have the tiebreaker on them so they are tech 5 losses up not 4. There are 26 games left. Even with the 2-6 record in the last week the Yankees still have a pretty good chance of finishing with the second best record in the AL. However, they only need to make up 4 games before that Rays series to have a shot at the division. Magic # for a playoff spot: Jimmy Key would slot in nicely to this rotation.
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Post by rizzuto on Sept 6, 2021 10:26:48 GMT -5
Does Boone really believe this? The guy has ERA over 7+. I guess Gil doesn’t really want the ball. He just puts up zeroes when it’s forced upon him.
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Post by rizzuto on Sept 6, 2021 10:28:19 GMT -5
Does Boone really believe this? The guy has ERA over 7+. May be to the worst manager in baseball. Why was Heaney in with a three run lead and heart of the order up. Should have been Green. Boone going by inning, not situation. How many games has Boone lost this year? Cashman should share the blame for having Heaney on the roster. I’d say he’s responsible for at least ten games. The difference between leading the division and not.
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Post by anthonyd46 on Sept 6, 2021 10:47:29 GMT -5
Basically I know the Blue Jays have looked great at times this year, but they have been 4th place most of the year for a reason. They just haven't been able to put it consistently together. This is a big series for them though, because if they sweep the Yankees they would be tied with them in the loss column, however, the Yankees still have the advantage here as even just 1 win in the series still leaves them 2 ahead of the Blue Jays. A split keeps the gap at 4 ahead and 3 of 4 would put them 6 ahead while a 4 game sweep puts them 8 ahead. So bottom line here the Yankees still have a lot of control over their own destiny.
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Post by desousa on Sept 6, 2021 10:56:51 GMT -5
Does Boone really believe this? The guy has ERA over 7+. I thank my lucky stars everyday that I'm not a Yankee beat writer and have to listen to the drivel Boone spews out after every game.
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Post by noetsi on Sept 6, 2021 19:00:12 GMT -5
While Boone is not a great manager the real problem is the GM who spent tons of money on pitchers who were not very good and failed to built an adequate offense. There really is no excuse for a team that hits this poorly with this much money to play with.
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Post by inger on Sept 6, 2021 19:26:48 GMT -5
While Boone is not a great manager the real problem is the GM who spent tons of money on pitchers who were not very good and failed to built an adequate offense. There really is no excuse for a team that hits this poorly with this much money to play with. One of the best pitching staffs in the league. Like all teams some of the pitchers are fringe MLB players…
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Post by noetsi on Sept 6, 2021 20:59:01 GMT -5
While Boone is not a great manager the real problem is the GM who spent tons of money on pitchers who were not very good and failed to built an adequate offense. There really is no excuse for a team that hits this poorly with this much money to play with. One of the best pitching staffs in the league. Like all teams some of the pitchers are fringe MLB players… We are paying fortunes for Britan and Chapman who are useless. Spend that money on someone who can hit. It is not the fringe pitchers that concern me. Chapman was a dumb pick up. 15 million for a closer with no control.
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Post by inger on Sept 6, 2021 21:07:37 GMT -5
One of the best pitching staffs in the league. Like all teams some of the pitchers are fringe MLB players… We are paying fortunes for Britan and Chapman who are useless. Spend that money on someone who can hit. It is not the fringe pitchers that concern me. Chapman was a dumb pick up. 15 million for a closer with no control. That’s called hindsight. He’s had a track record that was better, last year, the year before. This was difficult to foresee. Even this season he started out looking invincible for the first quarter of the season. This is not Stratomatic, in real life performance during the season is far less predictable…
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