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Post by Uehara1 on Oct 26, 2017 10:57:22 GMT -5
Thanks for Yankee service Joe. I'm not sad to see him go, but he'll have no trouble finding a new job. I said a week ago that the Nats would probably come hard after Girardi, even though it would be likely that he would choose the Yanks instead. Now that the Yanks have dumped him, I would expect that the Nats will be the first to call. His managing style is probably what that team needs right now- somewhat impersonal, but much more disciplined than prior managers there. He also appears to favor going with vets- and if nothing else, the Nats are loaded with vets who don't need much more guidance than when and where to show up. |
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Post by greatfatness on Oct 26, 2017 11:28:47 GMT -5
All I'll say is this: We better find someone better. Cashman said they want someone that knows the clubhouse. Sounds like it will be Tony Pena or Rothschild if that is the case and I'm not sure I like either hire. I know he won manager of the year (which is a stupid award) but there's not a lot of reason to believe Tony Pena is a good manager based on his prior experience. Possible he's learned a different approach since then, not sure. I agree that I wouldn't expect either of those guys to be good at the job. |
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Post by chiyankee on Oct 26, 2017 11:33:59 GMT -5
I for one am happy to see him go. 10 years, mostly underwhelming results. Like Alabama football... you can put any numbnuts in there and win with the Yankees. The key is finding a Nick Saban type manager that not only wins, but dominates. I think this current squad can be at or near the top of the AL for the next 5 years. Having someone competent to lead them can result in an elusive WS championship. I dont think thats a very good comparison...Alabama put in a bunch of different numbnuts who couldnt win for a decade before getting Nick Saban. Bama has a higher spending budget too....  |
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Post by greatfatness on Oct 26, 2017 11:52:17 GMT -5
We better not hire Don Mattingly. I agree. That's the last person I want to see managing this team. |
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Post by michcusejoe5 on Oct 26, 2017 11:57:16 GMT -5
All I'll say is this: We better find someone better. Cashman said they want someone that knows the clubhouse. Sounds like it will be Tony Pena or Rothschild if that is the case and I'm not sure I like either hire. I know he won manager of the year (which is a stupid award) but there's not a lot of reason to believe Tony Pena is a good manager based on his prior experience. Possible he's learned a different approach since then, not sure. I agree that I wouldn't expect either of those guys to be good at the job. Im sure Pena and Pedrique will be looked at then a number of other candidates from the outside. |
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Post by greatfatness on Oct 26, 2017 12:39:57 GMT -5
I know he won manager of the year (which is a stupid award) but there's not a lot of reason to believe Tony Pena is a good manager based on his prior experience. Possible he's learned a different approach since then, not sure. I agree that I wouldn't expect either of those guys to be good at the job. Im sure Pena and Pedrique will be looked at then a number of other candidates from the outside. Pedrique is an interesting name. All I know of him is what h did with Arizona. The record was awful but so was the team. Anyone know anything about his style as a manager since he joined the Yanks minor league system? |
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Post by greatfatness on Oct 26, 2017 13:15:49 GMT -5
From an article from a couple of years ago - doesn't say anything about tactical tendencies in managerial decisions, more about the people management part of the job with a quote from our current first baseman.
"The world professionalism gets thrown around a lot, but I mean this guy's a pro,'' said hitting coach P.J. Pilittere, a coach with Pedrique last year at High-A Tampa and the year before at Class- A Charleston. "He's mellow, a happy-go-lucky guy, but at the same time he can tighten up a clubhouse when it needs to be tightened up.
"He commands respect. The players know he cares about them, and he gives off that caring presence and they know it's not phony. He's a delight to work for,'' he added. "From a coaches' perspective I'm very spoiled to have him for three years. And the players love playing for him.''
Greg Bird, who was recently promoted to Triple-A Scranton, has played for Pedrique the past three seasons. The first baseman is one of a handful of players who have moved up to Triple-A this season, in addition to some who have dressed for the Yankees.
"It's a pleasure to play for him, and I really do mean that,'' the 24-year-old said. "I feel like I've kind of grown up with him as a player. He's everything you want in a manager: A quality leader; he takes care of his players. He has our back.
"He does what a good manager does: He brings the right attitude and work ethic, and that's contagious to the players.''
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Post by lazera on Oct 26, 2017 13:49:08 GMT -5
pedrique i think will get a serious look. he managed the aaa team past 2 yrs and did a good hob. plus considering the youngsters coming thru there to the majors i think he gets a long look. pena rotschild? please no.
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Post by lazera on Oct 26, 2017 13:50:43 GMT -5
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Post by lazera on Oct 26, 2017 13:55:04 GMT -5
Thanks for Yankee service Joe. I'm not sad to see him go, but he'll have no trouble finding a new job. I said a week ago that the Nats would probably come hard after Girardi, even though it would be likely that he would choose the Yanks instead. Now that the Yanks have dumped him, I would expect that the Nats will be the first to call. His managing style is probably what that team needs right now- somewhat impersonal, but much more disciplined than prior managers there. He also appears to favor going with vets- and if nothing else, the Nats are loaded with vets who don't need much more guidance than when and where to show up. if he wants to continue managering i think the job is his. remember the year after the marlins fired him he took a year off and even interviewed for the orioles position but turned them down. he could take a break for a while. |
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Post by bobbyjack on Oct 26, 2017 15:13:40 GMT -5
I for one am happy to see him go. 10 years, mostly underwhelming results. Like Alabama football... you can put any numbnuts in there and win with the Yankees. The key is finding a Nick Saban type manager that not only wins, but dominates. I think this current squad can be at or near the top of the AL for the next 5 years. Having someone competent to lead them can result in an elusive WS championship. I dont think thats a very good comparison...Alabama put in a bunch of different numbnuts who couldnt win for a decade before getting Nick Saban. Nope... every numbnut that coached Alabama football after Gene Stallings won 10 games in a season. Dubose, Franchione, Shula. Yankees can insert anyone in and win... and while I wasn't the biggest Torre fan, he was clearly one of the better managers we've had in the past 40 years. |
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Post by bleedpinstripes on Oct 26, 2017 15:23:46 GMT -5
Im sure Pena and Pedrique will be looked at then a number of other candidates from the outside. Pedrique is an interesting name. All I know of him is what h did with Arizona. The record was awful but so was the team. Anyone know anything about his style as a manager since he joined the Yanks minor league system? The big reason I am high on him as a candidate is that his players rave about him. He has already lead many of these young players to a championship at the MiL level, so I think he is a good choice from a player management aspect. In terms of managerial style, I don’t think it matters. This is Cashman’s team now. Any manager he chooses he will do so becuase they are willing to execute his game plan. The binder isn’t going away. The FO analytics department will dominate managerial decisions. |
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Post by greatfatness on Oct 26, 2017 15:41:32 GMT -5
Pedrique is an interesting name. All I know of him is what h did with Arizona. The record was awful but so was the team. Anyone know anything about his style as a manager since he joined the Yanks minor league system? The big reason I am high on him as a candidate is that his players rave about him. He has already lead many of these young players to a championship at the MiL level, so I think he is a good choice from a player management aspect. In terms of managerial style, I don’t think it matters. This is Cashman’s team now. Any manager he chooses he will do so becuase they are willing to execute his game plan. The binder isn’t going away. The FO analytics department will dominate managerial decisions. I'm not sure if that's true, it might be. I hadn't heard that Cashman and Fishman were advocating for specific in game tactics although I suppose that's possible. I think hiring a manager is a complicated process that the media oversimplifies, but ideally I'd like to see someone who is adept at managing people and also who doesn't hyperfocus on overmanagaing the team but gets out of their way and lets them play. That last part is the part I know nothing about and I wouldn't think many would without the benefit of a conversation with a candidate about their philosophy to managing the game. I do trust Cashman to know what a good manager looks like at this point, though, so hopefully he's calling the shots. |
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Post by inger on Oct 26, 2017 16:24:00 GMT -5
This little poll got all of five votes. I placed one that said he'd be here another ten years, and it wasn't because I wanted him to stay that long. The point is that...I'm not sure how many of us are posting here now, but only 5 people voted. To me that's an indicator that not many people were thinking his job was in jeopardy. In fact, I would say most likely thought it was up to Giradi and the Yankees would welcome him back. I think the Girardi family may have felt the same way...but guess what? It's over. I'm surprised. I'm not overwhelmingly happy because I have no idea who the Yanks will hire.
My first thought was Tony Pena would be the leading candidate. Well, I've rethought that. Pena is 60 years old. The job will be to mentor young players and to utilize modern stats and methods to do so. I just don't know that there would be a connection in either of those areas. Plus he hasn't managed an MLB team in over a decade. He had one season when his team seemed to over-achieve. The next season the team was back in the toilet. His fault? Who knows. To me, it didn't seem to be a very good team, and he had several people hit HR in double figures in 2003, the pitching was a mess in both years...Maybe he had a short shelf life in making the players believe they were more than the sum of their parts. The Yankees don't need that. They need to be professional and be the actual sum of their parts.
So, I'm going to say that I think Tony Franklin or Al Pedrique may get the job. I think there is a better than 50% one of them is the guy. They're both 57 years old, so that's not a lot younger than Pena, but they've been working with the younger players on the way up from the minor leagues and they've helped to ingrain the winning ways for these kids...I think that may be enough to make one of them the winner.
Wouldn't it be a hoot if the Yankees hired John Farrell and the Red Sox hired Girardi???
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Post by kaybli on Oct 26, 2017 17:56:15 GMT -5
Wow, this comes as a surprise. I'm happy though. Never liked Joe as a manager. Shocked that all these playoff teams are changing managers.
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