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Post by kaybli on Jan 11, 2024 11:19:59 GMT -5
Appreciate your efforts inger!
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Post by Max on Jan 11, 2024 11:39:26 GMT -5
Appreciate your efforts inger! As do I. |
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Post by inger on Jan 11, 2024 13:50:08 GMT -5
Appreciate your efforts inger! Shoot. I ain’t even tryin’… |
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Post by grandforks on Jan 11, 2024 19:29:24 GMT -5
I couldn’t resist replying in the comments section to another player that Pinstripe Alley under-ranked in their Top 100 Yankees series:
Charlie Keller should easily be in the top 20 and has a compelling case for top 15.
Road OPS+ is probably a better indicator of true ability than overall OPS+, because it negates the opportunity to exploit a unique attribute of a home stadium. With half of a player’s games in one stadium, familiarity of that unique attribute leads to an advantage that opposing players don’t have. And the home park advantage varies with all ballparks.
Charlie Keller’s first six seasons were truly historic. Not just for Yankees players, but all players throughout Baseball history. He is one of four left fielders in all of Baseball history to have a road OPS+ of 150 or higher during their first six seasons.
Raise the minimum to 170, and here is that list:
Ted Williams
Charlie Keller
He is one of 24 payers (all positions) to have six seasons with a road OPS+ of 170 and higher, regardless of when they occurred. And only 18 players in Baseball history reached 170 in more seasons than Keller did. Barry Bonds is one of those players, and he did it five times in his first 13 seasons, before things went pretty weird in Barry Land. Mike Trout has done it six times, so he still has a good chance of joining the group and making it 19.
Only 24 players in Yankees history have reached the 170 mark, and only thirteen Yankees have reached it multiple times. The total drops to six for Yankees that have done it three times or more. Aaron Judge still has time to add to his current total of three, but at this time, Keller and The Big Four are the only players in Yankees history to have reached the mark at least four times.
That’s pretty exclusive company that Keller belongs to, only four Yankees have reached that mark more times than he did.
Keller is difficult to rank because he only had six seasons, but he jammed a lot into those six seasons. More than some of the players that will be ranked ahead of him did in more seasons. And he did spend a total of 11 seasons with the Yankees, or ten if you disregard that final season. And again, it is unseemly to not give him credit for the War seasons. That puts him up to eight full seasons and 12 seasons total. There shouldn’t be any credit given for the back injury, but there really should be credit given for serving our country in a World War.
After the 1939 World Series, there was talk about a need to break up the Yankees. They had completely annihilated the rest of baseball on their way to their fourth consecutive world championship. A reporter from Cincinnati replied, “Never mind the Yankees; break up Keller.”
Charlie Keller was another of those “What if” Yankees.
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Post by grandforks on Jan 11, 2024 19:30:27 GMT -5
Appreciate your efforts inger! Shoot. I ain’t even tryin’… I also want to add that you’re doing an outstanding job with this, Inger. |
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Post by kaybli on Jan 11, 2024 19:57:50 GMT -5
I couldn’t resist replying in the comments section to another player that Pinstripe Alley under-ranked in their Top 100 Yankees series: Charlie Keller should easily be in the top 20 and has a compelling case for top 15. Road OPS+ is probably a better indicator of true ability than overall OPS+, because it negates the opportunity to exploit a unique attribute of a home stadium. With half of a player’s games in one stadium, familiarity of that unique attribute leads to an advantage that opposing players don’t have. And the home park advantage varies with all ballparks. Charlie Keller’s first six seasons were truly historic. Not just for Yankees players, but all players throughout Baseball history. He is one of four left fielders in all of Baseball history to have a road OPS+ of 150 or higher during their first six seasons. Raise the minimum to 170, and here is that list: Ted Williams Charlie Keller He is one of 24 payers (all positions) to have six seasons with a road OPS+ of 170 and higher, regardless of when they occurred. And only 18 players in Baseball history reached 170 in more seasons than Keller did. Barry Bonds is one of those players, and he did it five times in his first 13 seasons, before things went pretty weird in Barry Land. Mike Trout has done it six times, so he still has a good chance of joining the group and making it 19. Only 24 players in Yankees history have reached the 170 mark, and only thirteen Yankees have reached it multiple times. The total drops to six for Yankees that have done it three times or more. Aaron Judge still has time to add to his current total of three, but at this time, Keller and The Big Four are the only players in Yankees history to have reached the mark at least four times. That’s pretty exclusive company that Keller belongs to, only four Yankees have reached that mark more times than he did. Keller is difficult to rank because he only had six seasons, but he jammed a lot into those six seasons. More than some of the players that will be ranked ahead of him did in more seasons. And he did spend a total of 11 seasons with the Yankees, or ten if you disregard that final season. And again, it is unseemly to not give him credit for the War seasons. That puts him up to eight full seasons and 12 seasons total. There shouldn’t be any credit given for the back injury, but there really should be credit given for serving our country in a World War. After the 1939 World Series, there was talk about a need to break up the Yankees. They had completely annihilated the rest of baseball on their way to their fourth consecutive world championship. A reporter from Cincinnati replied, “Never mind the Yankees; break up Keller.” Charlie Keller was another of those “What if” Yankees. Thanks grandforks! Excellent post as usual. I didn’t know much about Keller so this was a fun read. |
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Post by grandforks on Jan 11, 2024 20:47:24 GMT -5
Thanks grandforks! Excellent post as usual. I didn’t know much about Keller so this was a fun read. [/quote] Keller is an interesting fellow. He was on his way to becoming one of the greatest ball players before the back injury hit him. His two sons were good prospects in the Yankees system, before they both developed a similar chronic back issue. Charley III got an invite to Spring Training after an outstanding minor league season, and then boom, the back problem begins tearing its ugly head. Charlie’s brother Hal played a few seasons with the original Senators, and decades later played a significant role in popularizing the use of the radar gun in Major League Baseball. |
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Post by inger on Jan 11, 2024 21:11:47 GMT -5
I couldn’t resist replying in the comments section to another player that Pinstripe Alley under-ranked in their Top 100 Yankees series: Charlie Keller should easily be in the top 20 and has a compelling case for top 15. Road OPS+ is probably a better indicator of true ability than overall OPS+, because it negates the opportunity to exploit a unique attribute of a home stadium. With half of a player’s games in one stadium, familiarity of that unique attribute leads to an advantage that opposing players don’t have. And the home park advantage varies with all ballparks. Charlie Keller’s first six seasons were truly historic. Not just for Yankees players, but all players throughout Baseball history. He is one of four left fielders in all of Baseball history to have a road OPS+ of 150 or higher during their first six seasons. Raise the minimum to 170, and here is that list: Ted Williams Charlie Keller He is one of 24 payers (all positions) to have six seasons with a road OPS+ of 170 and higher, regardless of when they occurred. And only 18 players in Baseball history reached 170 in more seasons than Keller did. Barry Bonds is one of those players, and he did it five times in his first 13 seasons, before things went pretty weird in Barry Land. Mike Trout has done it six times, so he still has a good chance of joining the group and making it 19. Only 24 players in Yankees history have reached the 170 mark, and only thirteen Yankees have reached it multiple times. The total drops to six for Yankees that have done it three times or more. Aaron Judge still has time to add to his current total of three, but at this time, Keller and The Big Four are the only players in Yankees history to have reached the mark at least four times. That’s pretty exclusive company that Keller belongs to, only four Yankees have reached that mark more times than he did. Keller is difficult to rank because he only had six seasons, but he jammed a lot into those six seasons. More than some of the players that will be ranked ahead of him did in more seasons. And he did spend a total of 11 seasons with the Yankees, or ten if you disregard that final season. And again, it is unseemly to not give him credit for the War seasons. That puts him up to eight full seasons and 12 seasons total. There shouldn’t be any credit given for the back injury, but there really should be credit given for serving our country in a World War. After the 1939 World Series, there was talk about a need to break up the Yankees. They had completely annihilated the rest of baseball on their way to their fourth consecutive world championship. A reporter from Cincinnati replied, “Never mind the Yankees; break up Keller.” Charlie Keller was another of those “What if” Yankees. Players like Charlie Kelller are why I’ve become a big fan of WAR5 and WAR7. Maybe there should be a WAR6, too…Would we rather have Harold Baines in the HOF because he was pretty darned good for 20 seasons or Charlie Keller who was dominant for 6? At the peak of their careers Baines couldn’t carry Keller’s jock strap… |
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Post by inger on Jan 11, 2024 21:13:43 GMT -5
Shoot. I ain’t even tryin’… I also want to add that you’re doing an outstanding job with this, Inger. Aww, shucks. You all gonna give a big noggin. But thanks!… |
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Post by rizzuto on Jan 11, 2024 23:15:44 GMT -5
I also want to add that you’re doing an outstanding job with this, Inger. Aww, shucks. You all gonna give a big noggin. But thanks!… If it makes you feel more humble, I'm still on the fence until this thread ends...   |
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Post by rizzuto on Jan 11, 2024 23:17:13 GMT -5
I couldn’t resist replying in the comments section to another player that Pinstripe Alley under-ranked in their Top 100 Yankees series: Charlie Keller should easily be in the top 20 and has a compelling case for top 15. Road OPS+ is probably a better indicator of true ability than overall OPS+, because it negates the opportunity to exploit a unique attribute of a home stadium. With half of a player’s games in one stadium, familiarity of that unique attribute leads to an advantage that opposing players don’t have. And the home park advantage varies with all ballparks. Charlie Keller’s first six seasons were truly historic. Not just for Yankees players, but all players throughout Baseball history. He is one of four left fielders in all of Baseball history to have a road OPS+ of 150 or higher during their first six seasons. Raise the minimum to 170, and here is that list: Ted Williams Charlie Keller He is one of 24 payers (all positions) to have six seasons with a road OPS+ of 170 and higher, regardless of when they occurred. And only 18 players in Baseball history reached 170 in more seasons than Keller did. Barry Bonds is one of those players, and he did it five times in his first 13 seasons, before things went pretty weird in Barry Land. Mike Trout has done it six times, so he still has a good chance of joining the group and making it 19. Only 24 players in Yankees history have reached the 170 mark, and only thirteen Yankees have reached it multiple times. The total drops to six for Yankees that have done it three times or more. Aaron Judge still has time to add to his current total of three, but at this time, Keller and The Big Four are the only players in Yankees history to have reached the mark at least four times. That’s pretty exclusive company that Keller belongs to, only four Yankees have reached that mark more times than he did. Keller is difficult to rank because he only had six seasons, but he jammed a lot into those six seasons. More than some of the players that will be ranked ahead of him did in more seasons. And he did spend a total of 11 seasons with the Yankees, or ten if you disregard that final season. And again, it is unseemly to not give him credit for the War seasons. That puts him up to eight full seasons and 12 seasons total. There shouldn’t be any credit given for the back injury, but there really should be credit given for serving our country in a World War. After the 1939 World Series, there was talk about a need to break up the Yankees. They had completely annihilated the rest of baseball on their way to their fourth consecutive world championship. A reporter from Cincinnati replied, “Never mind the Yankees; break up Keller.” Charlie Keller was another of those “What if” Yankees. Great post, GF! Keller received my vote as the most underrated Yankee of all time. |
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Post by fwclipper51 on Jan 15, 2024 14:34:47 GMT -5
I couldn’t resist replying in the comments section to another player that Pinstripe Alley under-ranked in their Top 100 Yankees series: Charlie Keller should easily be in the top 20 and has a compelling case for top 15. Road OPS+ is probably a better indicator of true ability than overall OPS+, because it negates the opportunity to exploit a unique attribute of a home stadium. With half of a player’s games in one stadium, familiarity of that unique attribute leads to an advantage that opposing players don’t have. And the home park advantage varies with all ballparks. Charlie Keller’s first six seasons were truly historic. Not just for Yankees players, but all players throughout Baseball history. He is one of four left fielders in all of Baseball history to have a road OPS+ of 150 or higher during their first six seasons. Raise the minimum to 170, and here is that list: Ted Williams Charlie Keller He is one of 24 payers (all positions) to have six seasons with a road OPS+ of 170 and higher, regardless of when they occurred. And only 18 players in Baseball history reached 170 in more seasons than Keller did. Barry Bonds is one of those players, and he did it five times in his first 13 seasons, before things went pretty weird in Barry Land. Mike Trout has done it six times, so he still has a good chance of joining the group and making it 19. Only 24 players in Yankees history have reached the 170 mark, and only thirteen Yankees have reached it multiple times. The total drops to six for Yankees that have done it three times or more. Aaron Judge still has time to add to his current total of three, but at this time, Keller and The Big Four are the only players in Yankees history to have reached the mark at least four times. That’s pretty exclusive company that Keller belongs to, only four Yankees have reached that mark more times than he did. Keller is difficult to rank because he only had six seasons, but he jammed a lot into those six seasons. More than some of the players that will be ranked ahead of him did in more seasons. And he did spend a total of 11 seasons with the Yankees, or ten if you disregard that final season. And again, it is unseemly to not give him credit for the War seasons. That puts him up to eight full seasons and 12 seasons total. There shouldn’t be any credit given for the back injury, but there really should be credit given for serving our country in a World War. After the 1939 World Series, there was talk about a need to break up the Yankees. They had completely annihilated the rest of baseball on their way to their fourth consecutive world championship. A reporter from Cincinnati replied, “Never mind the Yankees; break up Keller.” Charlie Keller was another of those “What if” Yankees.
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Post by fwclipper51 on Jan 15, 2024 14:41:13 GMT -5
These were the years that George was fighting with the Hall of Fame over Yankee players not being elected. He had pull the team out the Hall of Fame game played at Cooperstown. He would create Monument Park at Yankee Stadium II. The 1st Yankees Uniform number that was retired was Lou Gehrig's No 4. After Babe Ruth had left the team in 1935, they would continue to issue it to players, right up to the middle of 1948 AL season, when Cliff Mapes was the last active Yankees player was to wear No. 3. Also Mapes was wearing No. 7 in 1951, Mickey Mantle had been issued No. 6 in spring training camp, when Mapes was traded in 1951, Mantle would get his No. 7.
Clipper They were also the years that the Yankees weren't drawing fans (2nd place finishes didn't mean playoffs back then). Putting a 55,000 gate into a season where you're lucky to draw 20,000 was a big deal back then.
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