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Post by qwik3457bb on Feb 4, 2024 18:07:03 GMT -5
The shortstop prospect the O's traded for Burnes, Joey Ortiz, was already regarded as a top 100 prospect at Fangraphs, #57 in their midseason update last year and carried a 50 grade. He was overshadowed in the organization by Holliday, and would likely have been crowded out of the O's infield by Holliday, Westberg and Henderson.
Eric Longerhagen, the Fangraphs main prospect tout, said this about Ortiz:
"Ortiz was a top 100 prospect last offseason and ended the 2023 season as my 57th overall prospect. His profile was initially rooted in his plus combination of defense and feel for contact, but in 2023, he traded some of that contact for meaningfully more power. Ortiz’s underlying contact quality took a leap across the board, most notably his hard-hit rate, which rose from 31% in 2022 to 46% in 2023. This was coupled with a noticeable shift in his physicality, as Ortiz looked bigger and stronger. Ortiz’s contact rates, both overall and in-zone, dropped a tad compared to 2022 and he’s a bit chase-prone, but his well-rounded offensive output should clear the relatively low bar for middle infielders."
While a capable shortstop, Ortiz is not quite the defender that Willy Adames is. Unless Adames is also traded, Ortiz is more likely to wind up playing second base, where he is an exceptional, Gold Glove-caliber defender. His range and acrobatics are rare for that position. If not for Rhys Hoskins’ presence at first base, Milwaukee’s current projected group of Adames, Ortiz, and Brice Turang would be one of the best infield defenses in baseball. Ortiz projects as an everyday middle infielder at either position and is talented enough to be a part of Milwaukee’s core for the next half decade."
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Feb 4, 2024 18:07:56 GMT -5
Post by qwik3457bb on Feb 4, 2024 18:07:56 GMT -5
I would think that if Soto has a big year for them, the Yanks will be willing spend what it takes to re-sign Soto to a 10 year deal, but not a 12-13 year deal. I would think they could offer more money per year than any other hitter (not Ohtani, who is still thought of as both a hitter and a pitcher) has gotten to this point, even Judge. (Judge is a vastly better defender, but they'd be signing Soto at 25, where as Judge was already 30 when they signed him to the long-term contract.) He is a boras client , they want max years and money . I know that, but if the Yanks are clearly above the pack on average annual value, he and Soto might think 10 years is long enough. |
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Feb 4, 2024 18:30:20 GMT -5
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Post by posadafan24 on Feb 4, 2024 18:30:20 GMT -5
He is a boras client , they want max years and money . I know that, but if the Yanks are clearly above the pack on average annual value, he and Soto might think 10 years is long enough. I seriously doubt soto takes 10 years . He is 25 . |
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Feb 4, 2024 18:32:30 GMT -5
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Post by inger on Feb 4, 2024 18:32:30 GMT -5
I would think that if Soto has a big year for them, the Yanks will be willing spend what it takes to re-sign Soto to a 10 year deal, but not a 12-13 year deal. I would think they could offer more money per year than any other hitter (not Ohtani, who is still thought of as both a hitter and a pitcher) has gotten to this point, even Judge. (Judge is a vastly better defender, but they'd be signing Soto at 25, where as Judge was already 30 when they signed him to the long-term contract.) He is a boras client , they want max years and money . 12 years, $550M ask. May settle for $500M… |
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Feb 4, 2024 19:45:43 GMT -5
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Post by posadafan24 on Feb 4, 2024 19:45:43 GMT -5
He is a boras client , they want max years and money . 12 years, $550M ask. May settle for $500M… Yeah i believe it if we are talking about 12 years or so |
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Feb 5, 2024 3:06:12 GMT -5
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Post by Oburg Bob on Feb 5, 2024 3:06:12 GMT -5
------ Losing Warren and Jones would possibly be felt for many years to come. If we don't sign Soto and Verdugo, we have to fill two outfield spots. Dominguez and Jones can be stars in the not to distant future. Let's not repeat Jay Bhuner for Ken Phelps (the worst trade that the Yanks ever made)------- Oburg Bob
That trade is the perfect example why the Yankees shouldn't trade for a hitter just because that hitter is left-handed. ------ No, it's an example of quite the opposite. It is an example of why a young talented prospect, with years of potential all star production should not be traded for an old veteran that is nearing the end of his career!------- Oburg Bob |
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Feb 5, 2024 5:39:28 GMT -5
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Post by posadafan24 on Feb 5, 2024 5:39:28 GMT -5
That trade is the perfect example why the Yankees shouldn't trade for a hitter just because that hitter is left-handed. ------ No, it's an example of quite the opposite. It is an example of why a young talented prospect, with years of potential all star production should not be traded for an old veteran that is nearing the end of his career!------- Oburg Bob Burnes isnt an old vet that is near the end of his career . |
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Post by themartian on Feb 5, 2024 8:27:16 GMT -5
I know that, but if the Yanks are clearly above the pack on average annual value, he and Soto might think 10 years is long enough. I seriously doubt soto takes 10 years . He is 25 . He may want a "have his cake and eat it" deal where it's more than 10 years but also contains (a) player opt-out(s). |
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Feb 5, 2024 11:17:12 GMT -5
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Post by inger on Feb 5, 2024 11:17:12 GMT -5
I seriously doubt soto takes 10 years . He is 25 . He may want a "have his cake and eat it" deal where it's more than 10 years but also contains (a) player opt-out(s). Maybe he’ll sign with the Dodgers in a deal with 14 opt outs, 8 deferments, his own parking space and a partridge in a pear tree…🤓 |
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Feb 5, 2024 16:46:28 GMT -5
Post by Max on Feb 5, 2024 16:46:28 GMT -5
That trade is the perfect example why the Yankees shouldn't trade for a hitter just because that hitter is left-handed. ------ No, it's an example of quite the opposite. It is an example of why a young talented prospect, with years of potential all star production should not be traded for an old veteran that is nearing the end of his career!------- Oburg Bob Yep, that example applies too. |
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Post by Max on Feb 5, 2024 16:48:09 GMT -5
He is a boras client , they want max years and money . 12 years, $550M ask. May settle for $500M…
You might be right. My guess is 40 million per season for 12 years. |
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Post by kaybli on Feb 7, 2024 18:59:46 GMT -5
"They did try to get Corbin Burnes and they were disappointed they didn't," he said on Baseball Night in New York. "I don't have the players, I don't have trade package that was discussed ... but I do know that the Yankees felt it was like 'whoa that's too much.'" Well, according to MLB insider Jon Heyman, there was one specific player the Yankees didn't feel like parting with in this deal. "My understanding is that Milwaukee, like the White Sox, wanted Spencer Jones," he said.
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Feb 7, 2024 20:14:02 GMT -5
Post by posadafan24 on Feb 7, 2024 20:14:02 GMT -5
"They did try to get Corbin Burnes and they were disappointed they didn't," he said on Baseball Night in New York. "I don't have the players, I don't have trade package that was discussed ... but I do know that the Yankees felt it was like 'whoa that's too much.'" Well, according to MLB insider Jon Heyman, there was one specific player the Yankees didn't feel like parting with in this deal. "My understanding is that Milwaukee, like the White Sox, wanted Spencer Jones," he said.
What a freaking joke . One player in the minors for just 2 years and never higher than A ball is too much for an ace . This is bringing back memories of verlander , cole , cliff lee, and castillo all over again . Utter garbage |
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Post by inger on Feb 7, 2024 20:35:54 GMT -5
"They did try to get Corbin Burnes and they were disappointed they didn't," he said on Baseball Night in New York. "I don't have the players, I don't have trade package that was discussed ... but I do know that the Yankees felt it was like 'whoa that's too much.'" Well, according to MLB insider Jon Heyman, there was one specific player the Yankees didn't feel like parting with in this deal. "My understanding is that Milwaukee, like the White Sox, wanted Spencer Jones," he said.
What a freaking joke . One player in the minors for just 2 years and never higher than A ball is too much for an ace . This is bringing back memories of verlander , cole , cliff lee, and castillo all over again . Utter garbage Again. This was for a rental pitcher. Hand me Burnes with his five years extension and Jones is all yours. And I’ll send along a pitcher too, but not Warren or Hampton… |
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Feb 7, 2024 20:48:45 GMT -5
Post by posadafan24 on Feb 7, 2024 20:48:45 GMT -5
What a freaking joke . One player in the minors for just 2 years and never higher than A ball is too much for an ace . This is bringing back memories of verlander , cole , cliff lee, and castillo all over again . Utter garbage Again. This was for a rental pitcher. Hand me Burnes with his five years extension and Jones is all yours. And I’ll send along a pitcher too, but not Warren or Hampton… So? You cant keep kicking the can down the line for unproven prospects , it hasnt worked well in the last 10 years. And with cole and judge not getting any younger you have to stop worrying about 2 or 3 years in the future and worry about the here and now . If you give a damned about winning a title now you do that trade . There is just no excuse to walk away from a trade because of one guy who might possibly be ready in 2 or 3 year |
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