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Post by qimqam on Feb 7, 2024 21:13:47 GMT -5
After his gold glove year, don't you think Volpe is better than average? Do you think ikf is average defensively after he won the gold glove at third ? Yeah IKF is about average... but not because he won a GG in 1/4 of a season in a covid year. Do you think IKF is as good a fielder as Volpe ??? Do you think Volpe (GG glove or not) is just average at SS ?? |
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Post by qimqam on Feb 7, 2024 21:16:25 GMT -5
IKF lives somewhere else now… So ? It doesn't make my question any less relevant No ... but your question is irrelevant regardless |
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Post by posadafan24 on Feb 7, 2024 21:18:08 GMT -5
Do you think ikf is average defensively after he won the gold glove at third ? Yeah IKF is about average... but not because he won a GG in 1/4 of a season in a covid year. Do you think IKF is as good a fielder as Volpe ??? Do you think Volpe (GG glove or not) is just average at SS ?? I know ikf isnt as good a fielder as volpe thats why i asked that question . And i think volpe is an average fielder and one gold glove year isnt gonna change my mind . He still has a lot to prove |
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Post by posadafan24 on Feb 7, 2024 21:18:40 GMT -5
So ? It doesn't make my question any less relevant No ... but your question is irrelevant regardless Only in your mind |
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Post by qwik3457bb on Feb 7, 2024 21:24:39 GMT -5
The Yankees are a poorly constructed team right now. The only positions where they're above average defensively are first base and catcher (when Trevino catches). Judge will have the best CF arm in the game but overall he'll be average outside of RF. DJL is slated for his worst defensive position and Gleyber, Verdugo, and Soto are all well below average defensively. This team may give up the most unearned runs in the league. Then there's the rotation. The only three you can count on in reality are Cole, Stroman and Schmidt. You should certainly hope that Rodon is at least a MLB quality pitcher based on his history, but you never know. Nestor may bounce back or he may be the bust of the year. All true. But they could score 1000 runs. No lead is going to be safe...regardless of which team has it. The 3 + hour game will be back in New York in 2024. I try to be optimistic, but I don't see this as a 1000-run offense, or even a 950+ run offense. Soto and Judge are elite get them off to a great start, and Verdugo and Torres are above-average hitters, but unless Rizzo, Volpe, Lemahieu and Wells take big steps up from last season, I don't see how the additions of Soto and Verdugo turn a team that scored less than 700 runs into a team capable of scoring much over 850 runs. |
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Post by inger on Feb 7, 2024 21:26:15 GMT -5
Okay. I think Gold Gloves to be mostly irrelevant because they don’t always go to the best fielder. I think IKF is a good to very good 3B, but his bat doesn’t play well for that position. He’s a below average SS, probably can become an average LF (but again, the bat), should seldom see CF (emergencies only). If I could see him locking down a full time position it might be as a 2B where the bat can play for many teams. His arm gets wasted a bit there, but that’s how it goes. Other than that, he’s a lifetime utility player for me…Question answered? I hope so. Tgat’s all I’ve got in the subject… Then why did you say volpe is above average defensively after winning the gold glove ? The metrics showed before he hit the majors that he was better suited for 2b . The fielding metrics and the eye test both told me Volpe is a good SS. I was surprised he was awarded the Goldy. I thought Witt was going to get it, but I’m glad Volpe did… |
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Post by qimqam on Feb 7, 2024 21:28:46 GMT -5
You conveniently forgot our GG Rookie SS ... Yankees Defense overall is Avg (which is fine) to slightly above average I don't think Volpe deserved the GG. He honestly didn't wow anyone at shortstop. I'd call him average to slightly above. However, calling the defense overall "average to slightly above" is just laughable. Soto and Verdugo are both below average defenders and Judge is average in CF. DJL is below average at 3rd, Gleyber is below average at 2B, and Wells is below average behind the plate (assuming he gets 25-30% of the time back there). Gleyber is top 10 all qualified 2B in all defensive metrics that I see over the last 2 seasons ... He had his worst season with errors and boneheaded plays @ 2B but the metrics still favor him |
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Post by posadafan24 on Feb 7, 2024 21:30:51 GMT -5
I don't think Volpe deserved the GG. He honestly didn't wow anyone at shortstop. I'd call him average to slightly above. However, calling the defense overall "average to slightly above" is just laughable. Soto and Verdugo are both below average defenders and Judge is average in CF. DJL is below average at 3rd, Gleyber is below average at 2B, and Wells is below average behind the plate (assuming he gets 25-30% of the time back there). Gleyber is top 10 all qualified 2B in all defensive metrics that I see over the last 2 seasons ... He had his worst season with errors and boneheaded plays @ 2B but the metrics still favor him He isnt in the top 10 in 2b according to mlb |
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Post by qimqam on Feb 7, 2024 21:32:48 GMT -5
Gleyber is top 10 all qualified 2B in all defensive metrics that I see over the last 2 seasons ... He had his worst season with errors and boneheaded plays @ 2B but the metrics still favor him He isnt in the top 10 in 2b according to mlb According to the MLB??? You mean a writer that had an opinion ?? |
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Post by qwik3457bb on Feb 7, 2024 21:43:19 GMT -5
For what it's worth, both the Fangraphs and Baseball Prospectus lead projection systems are currently projecting the Yanks to finish first in the AL East.
Fangraphs has them at 88 wins right now (which is about where I think they are with the additions of Soto, Verdugo, and to a lesser extent, Stroman and Grisham), but it also has the Rays winning 85, the O's winning 85, and the Jays winning 84. About those three numbers...let's just say, I'm dubious that all three of those teams will wind up under 95 wins, much less all wind up under 90 wins.
Baseball Prospectus' Pecota projected standings has the Yanks finishing with 94.5 wins, the Jays win 88 wins, the O's with 87 wins, and the Rays with 86 wins. I think that's too high by 4-6 games for the Yanks, and again, I find it very hard to believe that all of the other three will fail to win 95, much less 90.
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Post by posadafan24 on Feb 7, 2024 21:43:56 GMT -5
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Post by inger on Feb 7, 2024 21:47:23 GMT -5
I don't think Volpe deserved the GG. He honestly didn't wow anyone at shortstop. I'd call him average to slightly above. However, calling the defense overall "average to slightly above" is just laughable. Soto and Verdugo are both below average defenders and Judge is average in CF. DJL is below average at 3rd, Gleyber is below average at 2B, and Wells is below average behind the plate (assuming he gets 25-30% of the time back there). Gleyber is top 10 all qualified 2B in all defensive metrics that I see over the last 2 seasons ... He had his worst season with errors and boneheaded plays @ 2B but the metrics still favor him One thing to realize about defensive metrics is that because of injuries and occasionally lack of performance there are seldom any more than maybe 20 qualified players at each position to be ranked. Top ten is not necessarily an honor. How many were ranked? Is he top 10/28, or is he 10/15?… And then add the mental errors he too often makes that he doesn’t get charged with an error… |
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Post by qwik3457bb on Feb 7, 2024 21:59:07 GMT -5
For what it's worth, Torres is more or less in the bottom third of all defensive metrics posted on Fangraphs' Advanced Defensive Metrics for 2nd basemen with at least 600 innings played at the position in 2023:
16th out of 24 in BIS' Defensive Runs Saved at -4
17th out of 24 in Ultimate Zone Rating Runs Saved per 150 games at -2.1
16th out of 24 in Outs Above Average at -3
16th out of 24 in Runs Above Average at -3
Overall Fangraphs' Defensive rating was 16th out of 24 at -2.5 runs.
So in 2023, the defensive metrics all say Torres was below average. Not brutal, just sub-par across the board.
For 2022 and 2023 combined the picture is somewhat different. There are 28 MLB 2nd baseman who played at least 1000 innings at 2nd base. Of those 28, Torres is:
8th in BIS Defensive Runs Saved at +5
11th in Ultimate Zone Rating Runs Saved per 150 games at +1.1
18th in Outs Above Average at -3
18th in Runs Above Average at -2
21st in Fangraphs overall Defensive Rating at 2nd base at -2.5 runs.
These numbers tend toward the idea that Torres was a more or less average defender at 2nd base for 2022-2023 combined.
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Post by qimqam on Feb 7, 2024 22:00:09 GMT -5
Wow another opinion ! Thats impressive If you look really hard you'll see a lot more opinions that have Torres ranked in the top 5-10 |
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Post by qimqam on Feb 7, 2024 22:04:27 GMT -5
Gleyber is top 10 all qualified 2B in all defensive metrics that I see over the last 2 seasons ... He had his worst season with errors and boneheaded plays @ 2B but the metrics still favor him One thing to realize about defensive metrics is that because of injuries and occasionally lack of performance there are seldom any more than maybe 20 qualified players at each position to be ranked. Top ten is not necessarily an honor. How many were ranked? Is he top 10/28, or is he 10/15?… And then add the mental errors he too often makes that he doesn’t get charged with an error… Or maybe there arent that many players that are offensively and defensively capable of playing everyday against LHP/RHP ... I mean 20 of 30 2nd basemen dont get injured every year |
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