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Post by Oburg Bob on Feb 11, 2024 9:08:08 GMT -5
Wasn't Judge a prospect ? How happy would you be today if Cashman had traded him weeks before the start of the '17 season for the reigning MVP of the National League ? I said they were wasting judge’s years . And thats one guy out of about 12 or more prospects that they held on to in the last 15 years that have amounted to nothing or close to it so far . Here are more guys they wasted years in , gary sanchez , greg bird , the killer b’s , eduardo nunez , ivan nova . Need i go on ? ------ So, it makes sense to spend vast money on free agents and being handcuffed for years by the luxury tax. We have not developed stars as often as I hoped but wouldn't it be great to build from within the system as much as possible? Selling off excess talent as we stockpile our own and staying within reasonable financial limits is sound business and can promote long term success. ------ Oburg Bob |
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Post by posadafan24 on Feb 11, 2024 11:36:46 GMT -5
I said they were wasting judge’s years . And thats one guy out of about 12 or more prospects that they held on to in the last 15 years that have amounted to nothing or close to it so far . Here are more guys they wasted years in , gary sanchez , greg bird , the killer b’s , eduardo nunez , ivan nova . Need i go on ? ------ So, it makes sense to spend vast money on free agents and being handcuffed for years by the luxury tax. We have not developed stars as often as I hoped but wouldn't it be great to build from within the system as much as possible? Selling off excess talent as we stockpile our own and staying within reasonable financial limits is sound business and can promote long term success. ------ Oburg Bob Thats the thing they arent even trading away excess talent or they wouldnt still have so many catchers on the 40 man (5) . Or lacking in depth in starting pitching . |
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Post by bruner4329 on Feb 11, 2024 11:44:02 GMT -5
We may be and should be better than last year but did we really close the gap between us and the top teams in the AL? We finished 19 games behind the Orioles who at worst should be just as good. Don't think we made up 19 games. It all comes down to our fragile starting pitching. One more solid rotation piece would provide some optimism.
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Post by 1955nyyfan on Feb 11, 2024 12:16:36 GMT -5
We may be and should be better than last year but did we really close the gap between us and the top teams in the AL? We finished 19 games behind the Orioles who at worst should be just as good. Don't think we made up 19 games. It all comes down to our fragile starting pitching. One more solid rotation piece would provide some optimism. I haven't commented too much in this thread. I understand the point that if some of the injured players return to near form and some of the young players improve we will be better and while it's true we seemed to have an absurd amount of injuries last year there is no guarantee we will be healthier this year. One would hope and expect that is the case and while we seem to have more depth with position players, I agree with you that depth among the SP staff is really concerning. Three of our SPs missed time with injuries last year and two of them are coming off years in which they hardly pitched. I know there is some excitement about Stroman, but he did not finish strong. Read recently that he pitched to an 8+ ERA over his final 10 starts. Can that really be true? |
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Post by inger on Feb 11, 2024 13:46:16 GMT -5
We may be and should be better than last year but did we really close the gap between us and the top teams in the AL? We finished 19 games behind the Orioles who at worst should be just as good. Don't think we made up 19 games. It all comes down to our fragile starting pitching. One more solid rotation piece would provide some optimism. I haven't commented too much in this thread. I understand the point that if some of the injured players return to near form and some of the young players improve we will be better and while it's true we seemed to have an absurd amount of injuries last year there is no guarantee we will be healthier this year. One would hope and expect that is the case and while we seem to have more depth with position players, I agree with you that depth among the SP staff is really concerning. Three of our SPs missed time with injuries last year and two of them are coming off years in which they hardly pitched. I know there is some excitement about Stroman, but he did not finish strong. Read recently that he pitched to an 8+ ERA over his final 10 starts. Can that really be true? That’s why he’s no longer making $25M per year right now. He’s a bargain at only $18M and had to beg the Yankees to consider him. … In fairness he was returning from injury. But that also makes him a bit shaky… The premise of the thread is to promote hope, although in reality it’s more representative of what the team “could have been” last year than predictive of this season. I’m guardedly optimistic… If everything goes right, this could be a 100-win team. If the Orioles come back to earth a bit, we could win the division. But if a lot goes wrong like last year… hoo-boy… |
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Post by qimqam on Feb 11, 2024 17:24:07 GMT -5
Yankees did what they could while dealing with payroll issues (Thank You Stanton) and without completely mortgaging their future. Despite that ... the Orioles are the team to beat for the forseeable future Super young team coming off 101 Wins, added a former Cy young, and they they have 5 of the top 32 MLB propspects knocking on the door Mortgaging their future ? Thats all they have been doing by waiting for prospect after prospect over the last ten years . Up to this point they have been wasting year after year of prime cole and judge. For what? Guys like andujar , florial , frazier , chance adams, schmidt , king , garcia , peraza , cabrera . And what have they gotten from waiting for all those guys? Nothing , or nothing yet . But yeah lets waste whatever prime years cole and judge have left for jones , who had been in the minors for 2 years and an unproven pitcher . Yeah and if the Yankees traded for Burnes and didnt win the WS youd be the first one bitchin about Cashman trading away the future for a rental Stop bitchin and whining and let the season playout |
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Post by rizzuto on Feb 11, 2024 17:29:46 GMT -5
Mortgaging their future ? Thats all they have been doing by waiting for prospect after prospect over the last ten years . Up to this point they have been wasting year after year of prime cole and judge. For what? Guys like andujar , florial , frazier , chance adams, schmidt , king , garcia , peraza , cabrera . And what have they gotten from waiting for all those guys? Nothing , or nothing yet . But yeah lets waste whatever prime years cole and judge have left for jones , who had been in the minors for 2 years and an unproven pitcher . Yeah and if the Yankees traded for Burnes and didnt win the WS youd be the first one bitchin about Cashman trading away the future for a rental Stop bitchin and whining and let the season playout  |
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Post by qimqam on Feb 11, 2024 17:33:57 GMT -5
We may be and should be better than last year but did we really close the gap between us and the top teams in the AL? We finished 19 games behind the Orioles who at worst should be just as good. Don't think we made up 19 games. It all comes down to our fragile starting pitching. One more solid rotation piece would provide some optimism. They dont have to have a better record than the Orioles to make the playoffs The Orioles had the best Record in the AL and got swept by a 90 win WC team |
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Post by posadafan24 on Feb 11, 2024 18:02:17 GMT -5
We may be and should be better than last year but did we really close the gap between us and the top teams in the AL? We finished 19 games behind the Orioles who at worst should be just as good. Don't think we made up 19 games. It all comes down to our fragile starting pitching. One more solid rotation piece would provide some optimism. They dont have to have a better record than the Orioles to make the playoffs The Orioles had the best Record in the AL and got swept by a 90 win WC team And when was the last time the yankees won anything of note in the playoffs ? I am not convinced they have enough pitching to go far in the playoffs |
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Post by inger on Feb 11, 2024 20:12:58 GMT -5
They dont have to have a better record than the Orioles to make the playoffs The Orioles had the best Record in the AL and got swept by a 90 win WC team And when was the last time the yankees won anything of note in the playoffs ? I am not convinced they have enough pitching to go far in the playoffs Sixteen teams go in. One comes out on top. There is a 6.25% chance for every team, meaning that one the whole any given team should win on average once every 16 years. The once meaningful full season slate has much less meaning now. Dynasties no longer exist. Going into the playoffs it’s more about who’s heathy and who happens to be hot at the right time… |
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Post by posadafan24 on Feb 11, 2024 20:16:07 GMT -5
And when was the last time the yankees won anything of note in the playoffs ? I am not convinced they have enough pitching to go far in the playoffs Sixteen teams go in. One comes out on top. There is a 6.25% chance for every team, meaning that one the whole any given team should win on average once every 16 years. The once meaningful full season slate has much less meaning now. Dynasties no longer exist. Going into the playoffs it’s more about who’s heathy and who happens to be hot at the right time… Neither team in the ws last year went into the playoffs hot or got hot in the playoffs . In fact the hottest team last year didnt even maje it to the ws and were beaten by the dbacks . And the astros who were one of the hottest teams in september and came back to beat the rangers for the division were then beaten by the rangers . And if its always the hottest team then why have astros been in the last 6 alcs and the phils the last two nlcs? |
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Post by rizzuto on Feb 11, 2024 20:28:44 GMT -5
And when was the last time the yankees won anything of note in the playoffs ? I am not convinced they have enough pitching to go far in the playoffs Sixteen teams go in. One comes out on top. There is a 6.25% chance for every team, meaning that one the whole any given team should win on average once every 16 years. The once meaningful full season slate has much less meaning now. Dynasties no longer exist. Going into the playoffs it’s more about who’s heathy and who happens to be hot at the right time… Blues Traveler: "It doesn't matter what I say So long as I sing with inflection" Just then TMarino appeared, smelling the negativity in the air, ready for battle, backed by his garbagemen Mafia, with season tickets to Camden Yard in his hands. That's clown math, Bro," said the contrarian troll. An empty sombrero levitated above the fray and an old man with plate of liver mush in his hands said in a clear voice to the heavens, "Vaya con Dios."  |
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Post by bumper on Feb 11, 2024 22:41:25 GMT -5
We may be and should be better than last year but did we really close the gap between us and the top teams in the AL? We finished 19 games behind the Orioles who at worst should be just as good. Don't think we made up 19 games. It all comes down to our fragile starting pitching. One more solid rotation piece would provide some optimism. They dont have to have a better record than the Orioles to make the playoffs The Orioles had the best Record in the AL and got swept by a 90 win WC team yup the regular season means diddly. just ask the dodgers who despite 100+ win seasons, can't get out of the division series. or the braves with 100+ wins the past 2 seasons. in fact winning a division and getting the bye is the kiss of death. |
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Post by rizzuto on Feb 11, 2024 23:12:06 GMT -5
They dont have to have a better record than the Orioles to make the playoffs The Orioles had the best Record in the AL and got swept by a 90 win WC team yup the regular season means diddly. just ask the dodgers who despite 100+ win seasons, can't get out of the division series. or the braves with 100+ wins the past 2 seasons. in fact winning a division and getting the bye is the kiss of death.  |
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Post by inger on Feb 11, 2024 23:38:18 GMT -5
Sixteen teams go in. One comes out on top. There is a 6.25% chance for every team, meaning that one the whole any given team should win on average once every 16 years. The once meaningful full season slate has much less meaning now. Dynasties no longer exist. Going into the playoffs it’s more about who’s heathy and who happens to be hot at the right time… Neither team in the ws last year went into the playoffs hot or got hot in the playoffs . In fact the hottest team last year didnt even maje it to the ws and were beaten by the dbacks . And the astros who were one of the hottest teams in september and came back to beat the rangers for the division were then beaten by the rangers . And if its always the hottest team then why have astros been in the last 6 alcs and the phils the last two nlcs? Being hot before the playoffs is meaningless and in fact is often the harbinger of a forthcoming slump. It’s being hot DURING the playoffs that matters… |
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