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Post by greatfatness on Aug 1, 2019 14:28:08 GMT -5
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Post by kaybli on Aug 1, 2019 14:40:07 GMT -5
And he would have cost prospects and major $$$$ even if he did agree. |
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Post by greatfatness on Aug 1, 2019 14:49:41 GMT -5
And he would have cost prospects and major $$$$ even if he did agree. Yeah hard to know what the Yankees equivalent of that package looks like with Houston being a little deeper than the Yanks. Maybe Frazier, Estrada, Adams and Gil? They paid a lot. I respect that they had the balls to make the deal and look forward to the Yankees making them regret it this October. |
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Post by kaybli on Aug 1, 2019 15:10:27 GMT -5
And he would have cost prospects and major $$$$ even if he did agree. Yeah hard to know what the Yankees equivalent of that package looks like with Houston being a little deeper than the Yanks. Maybe Frazier, Estrada, Adams and Gil? They paid a lot. I respect that they had the balls to make the deal and look forward to the Yankees making them regret it this October. I hope Greinke sucks and that contract is an albatross for Houston.  |
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Post by pippsheadache on Aug 1, 2019 15:28:37 GMT -5
Maybe because the trade pressure is off, but Wheeler was brilliant today against the White Sox. Seven scoreless, seven strikeouts, no walks. All in a crisp 88 pitches.
Boy do I hope he finishes strong and signs with another team.
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Post by pippsheadache on Aug 1, 2019 15:48:59 GMT -5
That is a hell of a pitching staff! With only 16 teams, not many Sergio Meat-Trays around. thanks, guys...we were astounded at the time, because those pitchers were just so darned good.... I have a candidate for a weak pitching staff that won the WS....but it is mostly for conversation...I don't know what the numbers might show if all teams were evaluated.... The 1942 St. Louis Browns didn't have much....Elden Auker was probably the best, but he didn't have an especially good year as I recall....then maybe Denny Galehouse, who came up big in the WS...and they got to the WS by a good year from Johnny Niggling...(I may have spelled Johnny's name wrong)...anyway, they seemed to not have much but it turned out to be enough....all fwiw.... Utah, for some reason I always remembered that the St. Louis Browns won the only pennant of their miserable existence in 1944, although they were defeated in the World Series by their co-tenants in Sportsmans Park the Cardinals. Because so many major leaguers were in the military by then, it is often considered to be the low point of the modern era of baseball in terms of available talent. It was before my time (believe it or not) so I had to look up the pitching staff. The main starters were Jack Kramer, Nels Potter, Bob Moncrief, Sig Jakucki and Denny Galehouse. Even though that looks like a weak staff for a pennant winner, the talent level in the majors was so low that all of those pitchers had above league average ERAs. Kramer had an ERA+ of 148 and Moncrief 129, so they were well above average. Incidentally, it was the third and last time that a World Series had all of its games played in the same park. The other two times were Yankees-Giants in 1921-1922 when they shared the Polo Grounds. Of course the Browns became the Baltimore Orioles in 1954 and finally won their first World Series in 1966. |
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Post by noetsi on Aug 1, 2019 16:32:25 GMT -5
The war years were strange for baseball.
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Post by utahyank on Aug 1, 2019 16:44:42 GMT -5
thanks, guys...we were astounded at the time, because those pitchers were just so darned good.... I have a candidate for a weak pitching staff that won the WS....but it is mostly for conversation...I don't know what the numbers might show if all teams were evaluated.... The 1942 St. Louis Browns didn't have much....Elden Auker was probably the best, but he didn't have an especially good year as I recall....then maybe Denny Galehouse, who came up big in the WS...and they got to the WS by a good year from Johnny Niggling...(I may have spelled Johnny's name wrong)...anyway, they seemed to not have much but it turned out to be enough....all fwiw.... Utah, for some reason I always remembered that the St. Louis Browns won the only pennant of their miserable existence in 1944, although they were defeated in the World Series by their co-tenants in Sportsmans Park the Cardinals. Because so many major leaguers were in the military by then, it is often considered to be the low point of the modern era of baseball in terms of available talent. It was before my time (believe it or not) so I had to look up the pitching staff. The main starters were Jack Kramer, Nels Potter, Bob Moncrief, Sig Jakucki and Denny Galehouse. Even though that looks like a weak staff for a pennant winner, the talent level in the majors was so low that all of those pitchers had above league average ERAs. Kramer had an ERA+ of 148 and Moncrief 129, so they were well above average. Incidentally, it was the third and last time that a World Series had all of its games played in the same park. The other two times were Yankees-Giants in 1921-1922 when they shared the Polo Grounds. Of course the Browns became the Baltimore Orioles in 1954 and finally won their first World Series in 1966. well then, my deepest apologies...mea culpa and all that....yes, but I thought it was 1942....are you sure, because I didn't think there was a WS in 1944.....now I will have to dig out my old book of that year... edit:....this scary for me....it was 1944 indeed....very sorry about that....I did remember it was all St. Louis in the WS......but I guess I am losing it...thanks for kindly correcting me, Pipps…. |
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Post by pippsheadache on Aug 1, 2019 16:50:58 GMT -5
No apologies remotely in order. In 1942, the Cardinals beat the Yankees in five games. It was the only World Series loss for the Yankees in 15 appearances between 1927 and 1953. Now that is amazing.
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Post by noetsi on Aug 1, 2019 16:54:13 GMT -5
this is one set of odds to win the WS.
Astros 2/1
Dodgers 3/1
Yankees 6/1
Braves 9/1
Cubs 14/1
Twins 16/1
Cardinals 18/1
Indians 20/1
Rays 25/1
Red Sox 30/1
Brewers 30/1
Nationals 30/1
Phillies 40/1
A’s 40/1
Mets 100/1
Angels 200/1
Giants 200/1
Reds 300/1
sports.yahoo.com/mlb-odds-did-trade-deadline-145851807.html
Obviously not every team is in that list |
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Post by pippsheadache on Aug 1, 2019 16:54:14 GMT -5
It's a pretty minor slip, Utah. Holy cow, how many people can name the World Series winner for every year since they started following baseball? I'm awed by the detail you can dredge up!
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Post by inger on Aug 1, 2019 17:00:39 GMT -5
It's a pretty minor slip, Utah. Holy cow, how many people can name the World Series winner for every year since they started following baseball? I'm awed by the detail you can dredge up! I have to look up darn near every year... I’m like Einstein who said “Why use up space in my brain for information I can get elsewhere”, or something to that effect. Or maybe it was another genius, like Karl. I’ll have to look it up... |
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Post by pippsheadache on Aug 1, 2019 17:05:31 GMT -5
It's a pretty minor slip, Utah. Holy cow, how many people can name the World Series winner for every year since they started following baseball? I'm awed by the detail you can dredge up! I have to look up darn near every year... I’m like Einstein who said “Why use up space in my brain for information I can get elsewhere”, or something to that effect. Or maybe it was another genius, like Karl. I’ll have to look it up... For me, the more recent the year, the longer I have to think about it. |
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Post by utahyank on Aug 1, 2019 17:06:43 GMT -5
It's a pretty minor slip, Utah. Holy cow, how many people can name the World Series winner for every year since they started following baseball? I'm awed by the detail you can dredge up! well thanks, but I am chagrined....how clear it seemed in my mind, and then to find it was not so....while I was looking at the old book, I saw his name and can correct the Browns pitcher's name I mis-spelled....it was Johnny Niggeling...he was pretty good for a few years, but I didn't hear of him much if at all after the War....I was in the Pacific for a couple years then, so maybe he played some and it didn't register.. Elden Auker was pretty good, but he generally pitched on some poor teams....he had an underhand motion, a lot lower than Walter Johnson or Ewell Blackwell, both of whom came from the side.....nowhere near a HOF pitcher, but one that I noticed as a young man... |
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Post by pippsheadache on Aug 1, 2019 17:52:13 GMT -5
Utah, thanks for bringing up Elden Auker. I knew who he was because my father had a lot of baseball cards from the 1930s, and Auker stood out because of his odd name. So it sent me scrambling to look him up, and I discovered among other things that he was the last living pitcher to have faced Babe Ruth. He died in 2006, just shy of his 96th birthday.
A submariner from my youth who you might remember was Dick Hyde of the Senators. And before both of our times, Carl Mays, the guy who threw the pitch that killed Ray Chapman, was also a submariner.
There is nothing new under the sun when it comes to deliveries.
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