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Post by inger on Aug 1, 2019 18:04:52 GMT -5
Of course my curiosity was aroused by something meaningless in this discussion, so here goes:
Eldon Auker had a career 101 ERA +, and he won 130 games in his career. We take the Eldon Aukers of the game fore granted. He’s 367th all time in career wins, tied with such modern pitchers as Kirk Rueter, Andy Messersmith, and Ted Lilly.
I find that rather remarkable. There have been thousands of pitchers that have taken the mound. We revere those that have won 250 or more, but sometimes we argue over whether or not they belong in the Hall of Fame. When you find out that only 366 pitchers have won more than a rather “puny” 130, we get another perspective...Eldon who? Why, Eldon Auker my friends. And don’t you forget him!...
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Post by pippsheadache on Aug 1, 2019 18:20:50 GMT -5
Of course my curiosity was aroused by something meaningless in this discussion, so here goes: Eldon Auker had a career 101 ERA +, and he won 130 games in his career. We take the Eldon Aukers of the game fore granted. He’s 367th all time in career wins, tied with such modern pitchers as Kirk Rueter, Andy Messersmith, and Ted Lilly. I find that rather remarkable. There have been thousands of pitchers that have taken the mound. We revere those that have won 250 or more, but sometimes we argue over whether or not they belong in the Hall of Fame. When you find out that only 366 pitchers have won more than a rather “puny” 130, we get another perspective...Eldon who? Why, Eldon Auker my friends. And don’t you forget him!... Great to see the names of Reuter, Messersmith and Lilly for that matter. I would have thought Messersmith had more wins than either of those guys. But yeah, those fair to middling pitchers are kind of the salt of our baseball memories. Good catch, Inger. |
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Post by inger on Aug 1, 2019 18:44:05 GMT -5
Sammy Gervacio is hardly a household name, but his setup and windup certainly set him apart. He baffled batters for a short time in 29 appearances as a reliever in 2009, pitching to a 2.14 ERA.
When he returned to the team in 2010 he quickly was discarded when he seemed to have no idea where the ball was going. He did pitch for the Bluefield Bluefish in the Indy leagues afterward. Perhaps he still does..,
Look him up on YouTube for video of his antics. There are a couple of them just under his name and “delivery”. Take one of the closest view from the “Astros spring training”...
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Post by noetsi on Aug 1, 2019 19:59:21 GMT -5
I think the lesson of the trade deadline is that Cashman did nothing and that was not surprising. There was never a chance he would do anything.
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Post by inger on Aug 1, 2019 20:16:22 GMT -5
I think the lesson of the trade deadline is that Cashman did nothing and that was not surprising. There was never a chance he would do anything. . All right. You were right. You were always right. It’s not the first time. nor will it be the last time. But it will be rare, so go proudly, young man...But t please do go... 🤐😂 |
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Post by rizzuto on Aug 1, 2019 20:21:47 GMT -5
I think the lesson of the trade deadline is that Cashman did nothing and that was not surprising. There was never a chance he would do anything. . All right. You were right. You were always right. It’s not the first time. nor will it be the last time. But it will be rare, so go proudly, young man...But t please do go... 🤐😂 “I believe Inger’s passed the age of consciousness and righteous rage. He’s found that just surviving is a noble fight. Inger once believed in causes too; He had his pointless points of view. But Noetsi goes on no matter who is wrong or right.” |
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Post by noetsi on Aug 1, 2019 20:24:24 GMT -5
I think the lesson of the trade deadline is that Cashman did nothing and that was not surprising. There was never a chance he would do anything. . All right. You were right. You were always right. It’s not the first time. nor will it be the last time. But it will be rare, so go proudly, young man...But t please do go... 🤐😂 Well it makes up for the other 90 times I was wrong  I just think that there are several elements to Cashman's approach that made a deal unlikely 1) He did not see a significant need to upgrade and is not focused on how we will do in the play offs. He obvious has a higher opinion of the pitching staff than most do and thinks Severino will return and be successful. 2) He does not like to trade elite prospects (I include Frazier and Andujar as that although neither is a prospect I guess). He worries about harming the future for the present. 3) He rarely makes major deals at the deadline that demand a major piece be traded. 4) That we have not won a WS in a decade and only won once in the last 18 years is not important enough to take risks or change your approach to baseball I note that others who know the Yankees better than I disagree with this analysis so it could be wrong. It is just my take on things. |
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Post by pippsheadache on Aug 1, 2019 20:29:25 GMT -5
The Dodgers, Twins and Red Sox didn't do anything either. Unless you consider getting Andrew Cashner a destiny changing acquisition. I'm disappointed too that the Yanks didn't get some great new arm, but I haven't seen any evidence that they had a realistic chance to make a good deal. Sure, they could have gotten Boyd from Detroit for Gleyber Torres, but I assume you wouldn't have been happy with that. Teams don't like to trade with the Yankees.
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Post by noetsi on Aug 1, 2019 20:45:52 GMT -5
The Yankees are 17th in team ERA. They had significantly greater need than other play off bound teams to get a pitcher. If I had the LA pitching staff I would have stood pat as well. We don't. How is it Atlanta got 3 reliever, not starters relievers, and we got zero? We couldn't up grade on people like Green? This is what Cashman said were the reasons for no trades “The best play was we did nothing,” he said. “And we did nothing for good reason because we felt that everything that was in front of me really was not obtainable based on the associated costs. “And that’s with understanding as a buyer you have to step up and overpay. But these were prices that I felt were making things way out of reach and way out of line.” Which is consistent with what I said above www.nytimes.com/2019/07/31/sports/baseball/yankees-trade-deadline.htmlbad to be dished by the NY Times. Wonder what the Post said |
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Post by greatfatness on Aug 1, 2019 20:48:37 GMT -5
Keep bitching. Earn that unhappiness.
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Post by greatfatness on Aug 1, 2019 20:51:52 GMT -5
I think the lesson of the trade deadline is that Cashman did nothing and that was not surprising. There was never a chance he would do anything. . All right. You were right. You were always right. It’s not the first time. nor will it be the last time. But it will be rare, so go proudly, young man...But t please do go... 🤐😂 I don’t see any evidence he was right. That would assume actual analysis and thought and there’s no evidence of either happening. When someone bitches about everything, they’re not right when something happens that’s disappointing. They’re just the same miserable complainer they always were before. |
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Post by inger on Aug 1, 2019 22:49:19 GMT -5
. All right. You were right. You were always right. It’s not the first time. nor will it be the last time. But it will be rare, so go proudly, young man...But t please do go... 🤐😂 I don’t see any evidence he was right. That would assume actual analysis and thought and there’s no evidence of either happening. When someone bitches about everything, they’re not right when something happens that’s disappointing. They’re just the same miserable complainer they always were before. Of course not. But I figured that if I could get him to bask in the glow of rare correctness, he'd STFU...But he won't. Like a broken record. We, like the stupid owners of the broken record, forget it's broken and put it on the turntable...Listening to the grind because, you know...it's our favorite record, right?... (: |
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Post by inger on Aug 1, 2019 23:04:23 GMT -5
Sammy Gervacio is hardly a household name, but his setup and windup certainly set him apart. He baffled batters for a short time in 29 appearances as a reliever in 2009, pitching to a 2.14 ERA. When he returned to the team in 2010 he quickly was discarded when he seemed to have no idea where the ball was going. He did pitch for the Bluefield Bluefish in the Indy leagues afterward. Perhaps he still does.., Look him up on YouTube for video of his antics. There are a couple of them just under his name and “delivery”. Take one of the closest view from the “Astros spring training”... Okay, since I'm now on my computer, I can post a link to this lunacy. It truly looks like a Max Patkin-type of clown routine... www.youtube.com/watch?v=DB818XgSS-ADon't know why I can no longer post pics or vids, but this old blunderbus computer isn't getting any younger... |
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Post by kaybli on Aug 2, 2019 4:54:56 GMT -5
2) He does not like to trade elite prospects (I include Frazier and Andujar as that although neither is a prospect I guess). He worries about harming the future for the present. What about Justus Sheffield for Paxton?
What about Fowler, Rutherford, Kaprielian, Mateo, Gamel, Cave?
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Post by pippsheadache on Aug 2, 2019 6:45:41 GMT -5
2) He does not like to trade elite prospects (I include Frazier and Andujar as that although neither is a prospect I guess). He worries about harming the future for the present. What about Justus Sheffield for Paxton?
What about Fowler, Rutherford, Kaprielian, Mateo, Gamel, Cave?
You're assuming he has some idea of who they are. |
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