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Post by desousa on Sept 3, 2018 14:44:28 GMT -5
Odd story, but the first time I ever heard of Kiki Cuyler was when the Beaver swiped a ball out of Ward’s den to replace a ball lost in a game. Ward had several signatures on the ball, including those of Cuyler and Lou Gehrig. The boys attempted to sneak another ball into the den with fake signatures Ward spotted the autograph of “Kiki Gehrig” while showing the ball to the bald-headed neighbor (was he Fred Rutherford, Lumpy’s dad)? I’m. It’s that’s right. There. I didn’t greet you, but it’s nice to have you here, as always!!! That Beaver was always up to something. Fred Rutherford was such a gas bag. |
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Post by desousa on Sept 3, 2018 14:49:44 GMT -5
On the Pirates squad -- Great job desousa. Like Utah, I also thought of Vernon "Deacon" Law for the pitching staff. He and Friend were nearly exact contemporaries. It seemed as if Law's best years were better than Friend's, but overall they came out in close to the same place in terms of WHIP and ERA+, although Law had a much better W-L record. He must have gotten better run support, I dunno. Bill Madlock is such a strange case. Without looking it up, I really doubt any eligible player has won four batting titles without getting any serious HOF consideration. My recollection is that he was adequate at best defensively, with fair power for his day. He seemed to get in his share of scuffles, but he also had a humorous side -- I can remember him being one of the Philly Phanatic's top playmates, and his participation in the bubble gum blowing contest Joe Garagiola had. Honus Wagner and Arky Vaughan are certainly in the running for the two greatest shortstops any one team has had. Mazeroski, for all of his lightweight hitting (yeah, there was that one horrific moment) was a magician at second and could turn the double play as well as anyone I ever saw. Bill Madlock could flat out hit, but didn't have a lot of range at third. |
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Post by pippsheadache on Sept 3, 2018 14:51:09 GMT -5
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Post by pippsheadache on Sept 3, 2018 14:54:28 GMT -5
I think you nailed it on Madlock, desousa.
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Post by chiyankee on Sept 3, 2018 14:58:21 GMT -5
Hello gentlemen -- look what the cat dragged in. I stumbled across this forum a little while back, and just observed for a bit to get the lay of the land. Then I saw speculation that maybe I had gone to that great stadium in the sky, and I sure didn't want anybody to think that -- I'm alive and well and all that good stuff. Although I won't be able to post as often as back in the day, a thread like this made me want to come out and play, plus I missed all of you guys. No greetings necessary, just act like I have been here all along and stepped out of the room for a few minutes to check on a souffle I had in the oven. As if I knew how to make a souffle. Anyway, I will add a few thoughts on the teams here and put up one of my own. Back in a flash. I can't help it, great to see around again, Pipps!!! It's been a long time, I hope you're doing well and plan to stick around. |
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Post by chiyankee on Sept 3, 2018 15:00:36 GMT -5
On the Pirates squad -- Great job desousa. Like Utah, I also thought of Vernon "Deacon" Law for the pitching staff. He and Friend were nearly exact contemporaries. It seemed as if Law's best years were better than Friend's, but overall they came out in close to the same place in terms of WHIP and ERA+, although Law had a much better W-L record. He must have gotten better run support, I dunno. Bill Madlock is such a strange case. Without looking it up, I really doubt any eligible player has won four batting titles without getting any serious HOF consideration. My recollection is that he was adequate at best defensively, with fair power for his day. He seemed to get in his share of scuffles, but he also had a humorous side -- I can remember him being one of the Philly Phanatic's top playmates, and his participation in the bubble gum blowing contest Joe Garagiola had. Honus Wagner and Arky Vaughan are certainly in the running for the two greatest shortstops any one team has had. Mazeroski, for all of his lightweight hitting (yeah, there was that one horrific moment) was a magician at second and could turn the double play as well as anyone I ever saw. Bill Madlock could flat out hit, but didn't have a lot of range at third. Sounds like the Yankee's current third baseman. |
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Post by desousa on Sept 3, 2018 15:08:13 GMT -5
I wanted to submit my entry for the Philadelphia/Kansas City/Oakland Athletics, a franchise which has such a quirky history -- four very separate and distinct dynasties, in between which there was a lot of bad baseball. For the pitchers, I did not limit myself only to bona fide relievers to fill relief roles, since the age of the closer only takes in about half of the history of the game, at least in the American League. Also I did not attempt to balance out lefty/righty as you would if you were putting together a real team for a 162 game schedule. I figured these guys were good enough, they could handle what you put up against them. First Base -- Jimmie Foxx/Jason Giambi Second Base -- Eddie Collins/Max Bishop Shortstop -- Bert Campeneris/Jack Barry Third Base -- Home Run Baker/Sal Bando OF -- Reggie Jackson, Al Simmons, Rickey Henderson/Mark McGwire, Bob Johnson C -- Mickey Cochrane/Terry Steinbach Pitchers -- Lefty Grove, Rube Waddell, Eddie Plank, Tim Hudson, Catfish Hunter, Vida Blue, Chief Bender, Eddie Rommel, Rollie Fingers, Dennis Eckersley. I almost put Barry Zito on here -- his record with Oakland was really solid. It was between him and Rommel, and Rommel just outpointed him with longer-term steady performance. I also wanted a spot for Joe Rudi and Gene Tenace, but couldn't get them to make the cut. I thought the starting outfield was pretty easy to come up with. There is of course the issue with Giambi and McGwire, as there will be with others. Ultimately I decided, not without reluctance, to include them, but if anyone wants to make an argument that they don't deserve it, I think you can make that argument with good reason. Bando and Steinbach, who I did see, and Bishop, who I did not, are rather under-rated talents in my book. A clubhouse with Reggie Jackson, Al Simmons, Mickey Cochrane and Lefty Grove could be turbulent, to say the least. Throw in some skewed personalities like Waddell and Henderson and maybe Eckersley, and you would need a flotilla of reporters to keep up with the drama. Good list Pipps. Actually a strong team in my book because of the pitching. Also, you can't go wrong with Foxx, Simmons and Eddie Collins on your team. Nice to see that you used Bob Johnson in your OF. Pretty good hitter. Bando and Steinbach were underrated and Bishop was on OBP machine. I can't see anyone you missed. |
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Post by utahyank on Sept 3, 2018 15:17:19 GMT -5
Odd story, but the first time I ever heard of Kiki Cuyler was when the Beaver swiped a ball out of Ward’s den to replace a ball lost in a game. Ward had several signatures on the ball, including those of Cuyler and Lou Gehrig. The boys attempted to sneak another ball into the den with fake signatures Ward spotted the autograph of “Kiki Gehrig” while showing the ball to the bald-headed neighbor (was he Fred Rutherford, Lumpy’s dad)? I’m. It’s that’s right. There. I didn’t greet you, but it’s nice to have you here, as always!!! Hey there Inger -- right back atcha. Oh yeah, Richard Deacon was Fred Rutherford, father of Clarence "Lumpy" Rutherford. I have some recollection of that as well. I also remember Ward talking about seeing Augie Galan play. You could learn so much from "Leave It To Beaver." TV trivia -- Richard Deacon was the first actor to play in two recurring roles on two different shows. Besides being Fred on "Beaver," he was more or less simultaneously Mel Cooley, a suck-up assistant to Alan Brady (Carl Reiner) on "The Dick Van Dyke Show." ….I can't hear about that show without revealing an already-old-man's distant crush on the young Mary Tyler Moore...……….good grief...…….. |
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Post by utahyank on Sept 3, 2018 15:29:40 GMT -5
I wanted to submit my entry for the Philadelphia/Kansas City/Oakland Athletics, a franchise which has such a quirky history -- four very separate and distinct dynasties, in between which there was a lot of bad baseball. For the pitchers, I did not limit myself only to bona fide relievers to fill relief roles, since the age of the closer only takes in about half of the history of the game, at least in the American League. Also I did not attempt to balance out lefty/righty as you would if you were putting together a real team for a 162 game schedule. I figured these guys were good enough, they could handle what you put up against them. First Base -- Jimmie Foxx/Jason Giambi Second Base -- Eddie Collins/Max Bishop Shortstop -- Bert Campeneris/Jack Barry Third Base -- Home Run Baker/Sal Bando OF -- Reggie Jackson, Al Simmons, Rickey Henderson/Mark McGwire, Bob Johnson C -- Mickey Cochrane/Terry Steinbach Pitchers -- Lefty Grove, Rube Waddell, Eddie Plank, Tim Hudson, Catfish Hunter, Vida Blue, Chief Bender, Eddie Rommel, Rollie Fingers, Dennis Eckersley. I almost put Barry Zito on here -- his record with Oakland was really solid. It was between him and Rommel, and Rommel just outpointed him with longer-term steady performance. I also wanted a spot for Joe Rudi and Gene Tenace, but couldn't get them to make the cut. I thought the starting outfield was pretty easy to come up with. There is of course the issue with Giambi and McGwire, as there will be with others. Ultimately I decided, not without reluctance, to include them, but if anyone wants to make an argument that they don't deserve it, I think you can make that argument with good reason. Bando and Steinbach, who I did see, and Bishop, who I did not, are rather under-rated talents in my book. A clubhouse with Reggie Jackson, Al Simmons, Mickey Cochrane and Lefty Grove could be turbulent, to say the least. Throw in some skewed personalities like Waddell and Henderson and maybe Eckersley, and you would need a flotilla of reporters to keep up with the drama. another nice list....they are weakest at SS, probably....especially striking after seeing the two SS's the Pirates had...and very strong in pitching and the outfield....so strong that Bobby Shantz could not make the list....and, an outfielder who did not deserve any mention, even an honorable mention, except he always played all-out and gave what he had....I am speaking of Elmer Valo...I just liked him.... |
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Post by desousa on Sept 3, 2018 15:42:45 GMT -5
I wanted to submit my entry for the Philadelphia/Kansas City/Oakland Athletics, a franchise which has such a quirky history -- four very separate and distinct dynasties, in between which there was a lot of bad baseball. For the pitchers, I did not limit myself only to bona fide relievers to fill relief roles, since the age of the closer only takes in about half of the history of the game, at least in the American League. Also I did not attempt to balance out lefty/righty as you would if you were putting together a real team for a 162 game schedule. I figured these guys were good enough, they could handle what you put up against them. First Base -- Jimmie Foxx/Jason Giambi Second Base -- Eddie Collins/Max Bishop Shortstop -- Bert Campeneris/Jack Barry Third Base -- Home Run Baker/Sal Bando OF -- Reggie Jackson, Al Simmons, Rickey Henderson/Mark McGwire, Bob Johnson C -- Mickey Cochrane/Terry Steinbach Pitchers -- Lefty Grove, Rube Waddell, Eddie Plank, Tim Hudson, Catfish Hunter, Vida Blue, Chief Bender, Eddie Rommel, Rollie Fingers, Dennis Eckersley. I almost put Barry Zito on here -- his record with Oakland was really solid. It was between him and Rommel, and Rommel just outpointed him with longer-term steady performance. I also wanted a spot for Joe Rudi and Gene Tenace, but couldn't get them to make the cut. I thought the starting outfield was pretty easy to come up with. There is of course the issue with Giambi and McGwire, as there will be with others. Ultimately I decided, not without reluctance, to include them, but if anyone wants to make an argument that they don't deserve it, I think you can make that argument with good reason. Bando and Steinbach, who I did see, and Bishop, who I did not, are rather under-rated talents in my book. A clubhouse with Reggie Jackson, Al Simmons, Mickey Cochrane and Lefty Grove could be turbulent, to say the least. Throw in some skewed personalities like Waddell and Henderson and maybe Eckersley, and you would need a flotilla of reporters to keep up with the drama. another nice list....they are weakest at SS, probably....especially striking after seeing the two SS's the Pirates had...and very strong in pitching and the outfield....so strong that Bobby Shantz could not make the list....and, an outfielder who did not deserve any mention, even an honorable mention, except he always played all-out and gave what he had....I am speaking of Elmer Valo...I just liked him.... Good call on Valo. Not a lot of power, but 8 seasons at .400+ OBP. |
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Post by kaybli on Sept 3, 2018 16:29:07 GMT -5
Hello gentlemen -- look what the cat dragged in. I stumbled across this forum a little while back, and just observed for a bit to get the lay of the land. Then I saw speculation that maybe I had gone to that great stadium in the sky, and I sure didn't want anybody to think that -- I'm alive and well and all that good stuff. Although I won't be able to post as often as back in the day, a thread like this made me want to come out and play, plus I missed all of you guys. No greetings necessary, just act like I have been here all along and stepped out of the room for a few minutes to check on a souffle I had in the oven. As if I knew how to make a souffle. Anyway, I will add a few thoughts on the teams here and put up one of my own. Back in a flash. I disagree, pipps. So good to see you around after a long time my friend!
It's so great to have you here! Missed you buddy!
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Post by inger on Sept 3, 2018 16:47:09 GMT -5
So, desousa went back and re-examined Sanguillen, and named him the starter. Meanwhile, I was reviewing Stewart’s numbers and thinking...hmm, maybe desousa was right after all...
Bottom line, three pretty darned good catchers. You really can’t go wrong. Stewart with a slight edge on offense, Sanguillen probably was just a tad better than Pena defensively. Pena’s best seasons with the bat were his early ones in Pittsburgh.
Remember Sanguillen could hit any pitch, anywhere, anytime...very seldom took a pitch...so of course walked very seldom. The pitcher almost had to throw the pitch away and then take Sanguillen by the hand to walk him to first base...
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Post by inger on Sept 3, 2018 16:50:29 GMT -5
I wanted to submit my entry for the Philadelphia/Kansas City/Oakland Athletics, a franchise which has such a quirky history -- four very separate and distinct dynasties, in between which there was a lot of bad baseball. For the pitchers, I did not limit myself only to bona fide relievers to fill relief roles, since the age of the closer only takes in about half of the history of the game, at least in the American League. Also I did not attempt to balance out lefty/righty as you would if you were putting together a real team for a 162 game schedule. I figured these guys were good enough, they could handle what you put up against them. First Base -- Jimmie Foxx/Jason Giambi Second Base -- Eddie Collins/Max Bishop Shortstop -- Bert Campeneris/Jack Barry Third Base -- Home Run Baker/Sal Bando OF -- Reggie Jackson, Al Simmons, Rickey Henderson/Mark McGwire, Bob Johnson C -- Mickey Cochrane/Terry Steinbach Pitchers -- Lefty Grove, Rube Waddell, Eddie Plank, Tim Hudson, Catfish Hunter, Vida Blue, Chief Bender, Eddie Rommel, Rollie Fingers, Dennis Eckersley. I almost put Barry Zito on here -- his record with Oakland was really solid. It was between him and Rommel, and Rommel just outpointed him with longer-term steady performance. I also wanted a spot for Joe Rudi and Gene Tenace, but couldn't get them to make the cut. I thought the starting outfield was pretty easy to come up with. There is of course the issue with Giambi and McGwire, as there will be with others. Ultimately I decided, not without reluctance, to include them, but if anyone wants to make an argument that they don't deserve it, I think you can make that argument with good reason. Bando and Steinbach, who I did see, and Bishop, who I did not, are rather under-rated talents in my book. A clubhouse with Reggie Jackson, Al Simmons, Mickey Cochrane and Lefty Grove could be turbulent, to say the least. Throw in some skewed personalities like Waddell and Henderson and maybe Eckersley, and you would need a flotilla of reporters to keep up with the drama. another nice list....they are weakest at SS, probably....especially striking after seeing the two SS's the Pirates had...and very strong in pitching and the outfield....so strong that Bobby Shantz could not make the list....and, an outfielder who did not deserve any mention, even an honorable mention, except he always played all-out and gave what he had....I am speaking of Elmer Valo...I just liked him.... Imrich “Elmer” Valo was the guy that had his photo taken at an odd angle on his baseball card that made him appear to have no arms. He should get his honorable mention for at least that... When he retired he had also set the record for the most BB as a pinch hitter with 91, and had a ten year stretch during which he had eight seasons with a .400 or better OBP. Good little player... |
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Post by pippsheadache on Sept 3, 2018 19:46:53 GMT -5
Hello gentlemen -- look what the cat dragged in. I stumbled across this forum a little while back, and just observed for a bit to get the lay of the land. Then I saw speculation that maybe I had gone to that great stadium in the sky, and I sure didn't want anybody to think that -- I'm alive and well and all that good stuff. Although I won't be able to post as often as back in the day, a thread like this made me want to come out and play, plus I missed all of you guys. No greetings necessary, just act like I have been here all along and stepped out of the room for a few minutes to check on a souffle I had in the oven. As if I knew how to make a souffle. Anyway, I will add a few thoughts on the teams here and put up one of my own. Back in a flash. I can't help it, great to see around again, Pipps!!! It's been a long time, I hope you're doing well and plan to stick around. Thank you so much, Chi. You are a true steady hand who has done so much to keep this place running for years and always a class act. I don't think you have ever gotten enough credit for the way you have navigated through so many changes. It's almost embarrassing to show up after all of this time. But oh yeah, I plan to stick around. This is a wonderful community and it's a privilege to be a part of it. I hope maybe that some of the other veterans will poke their heads up as well. I have a feeling there are more out there. |
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Post by pippsheadache on Sept 3, 2018 19:52:00 GMT -5
Hello gentlemen -- look what the cat dragged in. I stumbled across this forum a little while back, and just observed for a bit to get the lay of the land. Then I saw speculation that maybe I had gone to that great stadium in the sky, and I sure didn't want anybody to think that -- I'm alive and well and all that good stuff. Although I won't be able to post as often as back in the day, a thread like this made me want to come out and play, plus I missed all of you guys. No greetings necessary, just act like I have been here all along and stepped out of the room for a few minutes to check on a souffle I had in the oven. As if I knew how to make a souffle. Anyway, I will add a few thoughts on the teams here and put up one of my own. Back in a flash. I disagree, pipps. So good to see you around after a long time my friend!
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It's so great to have you here! Missed you buddy!
Boy, it's good to be responding to you Kaybli my old pal. You have not lost a step with your hilarious insights. Feels good to be back and talking some Womack again. Your all-time Yankee nightmare team was a hoot! LaTroy Hawkins!! You just missed his sucky namesake (at least as a Yankee) Andy Hawkins by just a few years.
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